Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called “going for a walk”
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When I go for a walk, the car-based infrastructure makes everything a nuisance until I get on a trail some distance from where I live. Turns out politics is everywhere.
Everything is political, not just when your views are challenged.
Spoken like a true person who tries to shoehorn their political beliefs into every topic.
Movie based meme page?
Better talk about American politics!
Where were those movies made?
New Zealand? England?
Unless you’re watching indie foreign flicks they were all produced, written and edited in Hollywood, regardless of where they were filmed
Where did the funding for those movies come from? Where did that fancy military equipment come from? I wonder if the US military asked for anything in exchange for lending that out?
luckily not every instance is centered around us stuff
“Why do people want to talk about stuff that affects their daily lives so damn much???”
I just want a picture of a got dang hot dog
Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called stop supporting people who want me dead.
Like I genuinely get mad when people say stuff like “I don’t want politics in my x” or whatever, because YEAH. ME FUCKING TOO. Do you know how much I would love not feeling on the defensive at all times due to the pending casual extermination of people like me that you are either supporting or ignoring??? If all the libs wanted me to be a lib like them they could have simply not made me life hell.
This is the point everyone misses. They forget that other people have problems even if it’s not happening to them
I stopped and nothing changed, please advise.
Firstly, that sounds like a shit situation to be in, so please don’t think I’m dismissing your struggles here.
I don’t live in the same country as you and I have no power to even slightly affect your political situation. I read enough bad news about stuff that I at least have a chance to get involved in that sometimes I want to read some funnies on the internet without having to read about another shit situation. It’s not because I don’t care, it’s because it’s not worth stressing out further about something I cannot do anything about.
So yeah, that’s why people don’t want so see US politics everywhere. Just because something is very important doesn’t mean it’s very important to everyone.
Trans rights are important to everyone and under threat in most of the world, so disagree
These are all global problems because they’re caused by global systems lead by a global hegemon, the United States
“I just don’t want to see your suffering”
Do you want to see people suffering? Because that’s fucked up.
The bare minimum you can do is listen when someone is in pain and stand witness when they are under attack. I want to see when people are suffering, so I can figure out how to help, or at very least show solidarity. Obviously I can’t take this in at all hours of every day, but that’s time I spend alone or with an IRL friend, not on an online messaging board.
Other way round for me, my IRL time contains the serious shit, I come online for escapism
I don’t know why you would go on the “people talking about events” platform and being surprised people are talking about events that aren’t happy. That’s just poor planning. I mean yeah, be there for your friends, but you should be able to have light or pleasant conversation pretty often, and steer away from troubling topics when you aren’t up for it, far easier than online.
So yeah, that’s why people don’t want so see US politics everywhere. Just because something is very important doesn’t mean it’s very important to everyone.
You’ll be happy to know that our news megathread is truly an international one because you get to hear about stuff from around the world
How do you know what country they live in and if the issue is relavent in your country or not?
If they persecute you for having a different opinion that doesn’t enforce anti-tolerance, then they are not liberals.
The difference is just a scratch.
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I’m sorry that one whooshed so high over my head I can see it twinkling in the sky.
The expression (don’t know the origin) is “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.” Basically pointing out the historical tendency of liberals to prefer a fascist-managed capitalism if their interests are threatened or it becomes clear the liberal order won’t last (and could be replaced from the left).
Thank you!
Definitely a valid expression for when liberals dress up self interest in the guise of principles of freedom.
Not hipocrisy when the left parties enforce the tyranny of the majority though. In that case, the criticism becomes strawman fallacy.
tyranny of the majority
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Except, sometimes they are very much liberals
By vote, not by action.
If a liberal suppresses your freedom of speech and you are not calling for the destruction of his government (full constitutional change that doesn’t include the entirety of the people or at the very least, prevents the majority’s tyranny) he is not a liberal.
for all the libs scratched by this meme, here’s a good link for you to read about how memes are a highly political medium (just like propaganda posters and pamphlets used to be)
https://thegeekanthropologist.com/2020/08/03/the-poetics-of-internet-memes/
There’s also some good scholarly works that get into this much deeper as well.
here’s a quote since libs don’t usually read from links:
I want to begin by discussing three ways I commonly see memes used: meme as revelation, meme as critique, and meme as ideation. This is not a comprehensive typology by any means, but it is a start at understanding the ways that memes are used in social life. These different ways of using memes also allows us to understand the different media ideologies associated with them. Media ideologies are, “beliefs, attitudes, and strategies about a single medium” (Gerson 2010b, 389). These ideologies show us, “the ways the medium shapes the message,” helping us to see “the communicative possibilities and the material limitations of a specific channel” (Gershon 2010, 283).
The potentially endless media ideologies associated with memes is, I believe, a product of their perceived informality as a form of communication, seen through their association with internet culture, “low” art, and post-GenXers. As Gershon (2010) explains, “media become perceived as formal or informal just as registers are perceived as formal or informal” (290). This perception has relegated memes to what Halberstam (2011) calls “the silly archive,” comprised of texts which “might offer strange and anticapitalist logics of being and acting and knowing” (20–21). This is what makes memes so deeply political—they are able to bypass the dominant cultural logics of “being and acting and knowing” that often constrain our imaginations and tie concepts and ideas to particular mediums.
Another reason memes are political is their accessibility. Not only are they simple—a user only needs to come up with a short description to fit a meme image—they can also be easily created on a number of meme generating websites. This democratization of meme production is what allows for the “subversive and transformative engagements” I referenced earlier. The accessibility of and creative engagement with memes reveal that it is not only meme images themselves that shape their message, but also the ways in which users understand memes as a medium, and the meanings they associate with or construct through specific memes.
We might also consider the production of memes through the model of the supply chain, thinking with Anna Tsing (2009) about the salience of global capitalism. While there are obvious differences in the circulation of digital media as opposed to material commodities, meme (re)production, like supply chains, “don’t merely use preexisting diversity; they also revitalize and create niche segregation through advising economic performance” (150). Here, I want to suggest that we add “social” to “economic,” which is seen through the creation of online communities and the multilayered shaping of subjectivities in local contexts. The meme economy is intimately related to media ideology, since the “beliefs, attitudes, and strategies” regarding memes influence motivations for the (re)production and circulation of certain memes, offering yet another layer for considering the importance of memes in social life.
Lies! I went outside and I saw a poster about CLIMATE CHANGE, and then I turned the corner and heard a family complaining about minimum wage being too low! So unfair, I just want to be ignorant of other people’s suffering.
If I wasn’t a slave constantly in fear of malnourishment, illness, homelessness, police violence, jail and/or pain, I might not care so much.
Just work harder, plebe. Everything is working just fine (for me)
I’m getting the impression from Lemmy that there’s an overrepresentation of the particular demographic of comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.
comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.
That seems to be like 95% of both reddit’s and lemmy’s (or some other federated instances’) user-bases.
It’s reddit rejects so what do you think
On the other hand there’s also an overrepresentation of tankies. I don’t think those are the same people.
“Tankie” is to liberals as “woke” is to conservative liberals and fascists.
What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?
I mean, I’m a demsoc, and of the last 20 death threats I have received in my life, 15 came from people who identify as Communist-Leninist. PLEASE give me a better word for them.
What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?
Based
How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
I see no leftist here
You don’t know the difference between a demsoc and a socdem. You’re not any kind of socialist, just a lib who likes the idea of being seen as leftist.
And I bet you’re fun at parties. Please oh great psychic, tell me more about myself?
And actually, I do know the difference between demsoc and socdem. The formal definition for Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.” That we are constantly painted as “filthy liberal” for wanting to respect the will of the majority is a disappointing and disgusting lie. And the ONLY people who accuse socdems of being fake leftists? TANKIES. Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
The only way I’m not a leftist is if your version of leftism says “fuck people, freedom, or democracy”. In **your ** version of leftism, are you ok with being the 1% ruling by force against 99% who hate you? Think very carefully before replying to that.
And I bet you’re fun at parties
Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
Speaking of succdems look how even in their mind palace they’re already dehumanizing anyone to the left of them. This helps when they cooperate with and enable fascist parties like they do every time in history. “Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D
Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
You should tell Webster they’re wrong. And Wikipedia. And Brittanica.
By their definitions, a Socdem’s insistence on using democracy at all costs is what differentiates between them and demsocs.
By why is it so important for you to insist everyone use your nonstandard definition of the terms? Also, your calling us “succdems” tells me exactly everything I need to know about your permission. If I’m not willing to murder people, I’m less than human to you enough to be given a silly nickname.
“Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D
At this moment, you’re on the wrong side of the “First they came for” poem because you’re the one rejecting the Left.
God, you’re such a big dumb idiot of a lib. That’s the definition of a democratic socialist, not a social democrat - you can tell by the way one of the groups are call socialists and the others are called democrats. Not only did you mix up your definitions, but you never actually managed to define democratic socialist - do you really know what the difference is if you can’t even remember to talk about one of them? The answer, scrolling down your post history to where you called yourself a socdem, is no, you think they’re the exact same thing, because you don’t even have a surface level understanding of leftism. It only takes 5 minutes in leftist spaces to discover that anarchists, socialists, and communists of all flavour hate socdems for exactly your “no really, somehow we’ll manage to vote socialism in this time” attitude, but you’ve never spent a single minute in them, because you’re not a leftist.
My version of leftism is called Marxism and is based in historical reality and current material conditions. Your version is fantastical utopianism that’s convinced the elite are just going to give up the reigns any day now.
Funny because of the dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats I’ve gotten, practically all of them come from zionists, NAFOs, keyboard nazis or the occasional trumpeteer.
Full disclosure, as a leftist I avoid those far-right areas like the plague. I’m quite certain I would receive more far-right death threats if I did not.
so you admit that you get mostly leftist death threats because you avoid groups that would send more?
Oh yeah!? Well I’ve received thousands, no, millions of death threats!
Who are you people?
Tankies don’t get death threats from other tankies? I’m shocked!
You sound like a vooshite when you talk in this childish way, aren’t you embarrassed
no but trans people get death threats from “anti-tankies”
Can confirm
Communist
How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
None, just liberals willing to go along to get along with fascists. Which you are.
Death threats are an inappropriate and disproportiate response but have you considered that it is because you’re more irritating to the left than you are to the right? Especially given how right wingers historically are massively more violent?
there’s no such thing as a tankie, the word literally has no meaning
Death to America
Death to all tankies, hooyah America, KILL THE BEAR. Ready to set 1SQ for strategic nuclear launch! Fuck the Kremlin, and fuck the CCP!
You don’t even know the name of the party. Don’t speak on things you clearly know nothing about
I know they’re Great Power Conflict adversaries, and I know my job is to put warheads on foreheads when directed. Everything else is just ammo for the IC community, SW, SO and MISO. Hooyah America.
Okay so I followed the first part, you want Russians dead and all that, it’s the thing rn. But you realize saying “launch the nukes” is exactly the same thing as “death to America” but with more steps, right?
What can I say, I want to actually do the job I trained for sometimes. Besides, the way the qoeld is going makes me less and less hesitant to actually flip the toggle switch when the order comes. Maybe that’s the point.
get help please
What’s a tankie?
Someone who supports the rights of those in the global south
Hell yea
Are the tankies in the room with us right now sweetie?
Hell yeah we are
No, they’re distributed. And federated.
I’m coming to put you in the gulag and seize your property
“Everyone to the left of me isn’t being actively purged from the platform and it’s not to my tastes”
Fucking leave then
Lol, that’s not what they said at all. Somebody seems a little defensive.
Lmao
Oh fuck off lol. The biggest instance literally preemptively removedd from everyone left of Bernie Sanders. Go back to reddit if you’re afraid of getting called out for being politically illiterate.
I’m guessing your autocorrect didn’t like the word “defederated” and turned it into a word that’s a slur if you don’t include the ‘d’ at the end? lol
also I agree with your comment.
edit- Who wouldn’t want to be called an outfox?
Lol yeah I was on my way back from my lunch break when I typed that no clue what it autocorrected too
I’m guessing it dropped the F and rearranged the rest into the R slur. I can’t think of any other word with most of those letters, and it is a word otuside of the slur context, a verb meaning “to slow down”
Defederate but with a g for the f and a n for the d is also filtered iirc.
yep that was probably it lol
tankies
Did you mean communists? Common westerner mistake
Not all communists are tankies but all tankies are authoritarian trash.
You’ve been lied to. All are treated as equally too far left, hence all commieș are tąnkies.
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I’m a demsoc. I want to respect Communism more, but I never get death threats from liberals and do occasionally get death threats from Tankies.
It sucks because I feel they’d make a good ally to compromise with if they weren’t hoping to have me executed for not supporting an authoritarian seizure of power.
By the silent downvote I take it that you think getting so many death threats is normal and not possibly linked to being an extremely weird person who argues with perhaps even weirder people
Which “silent downvote” are you talking about?
And how exactly did you conclude I’m a “weird person” in this scenario? Obviously I’m arguing with weirder people, we’re talking about tankies.
EDIT: Just looked through your post history and cannot seem to find any I downvoted.
Come off of it. You are not getting death threats from MLs. You just want to feel self-important
Bingo Im bisexual and based on history alone there is no version of socialism that has not been horrible for me except the GDR for a few years at the very end of 1985-92.
Do you ever think maybe it’s weird that you get many death threats? I think have ever had one in my life and I’ve conversed with many many mentally… unhealthy people
I’m a Social Democrat, who used to be a Democratic Socialist. The Right sees me as a Communist and McCarthyism kicks in. Did you hear about the “Physical Removal” movement? A meme-like movement about giving the Left helicopter rides to the middle of the ocean. I lived in a farm town where 40% of the voters were overcompensating for the Right not being able to win a rural area by being very outspoken anti-left.
And then, the Left. When I considered myself to be a demsoc, I tried to hang out in LSC on reddit. Not sure if you know it, but they eventually got banned for all the death threats coming out of there. There is an attitude around some percent of Communists that non-Communist lives don’t matter. They might be a minority, but they’re outspoken.
That was what got me to realize the flaw in being a demsoc, and I shifted laterally (NOT to the Right as several people like to pretend) to Social Democrat. Then I got more death threats because Communists have a hard-on of insisting Socdems are literally the same category as fascists.
I DO think it’s weird that I’ve gotten and get death threats over my views, and I understand why so many people my age have given up having any views at all and just become “I just vote a party and go about my day” folks that are part of the problem.
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Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!
Well that’s a breath of fresh air. That’s very different from what I’ve seen. I do have to point out what I said elsewhere, that I feel Communists have a responsibility to speak against violent communism, the same way “good cops” can only be good if they speak out against bad cops. (I know how most Communists feel about police, but at least I hope you can appreciate the intent of the parallel)
For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.
I think using the word “traitor” in a situation like that is terrible. I do take it personally if someone treats the DNC as “just as bad as Trump” after he managed to cause an unprecedented amount of devastation between his immigration policies, “pay me” COVID handling, and open hatred of marginalized groups and “great people on both sides” support for groups like the KKK… But as much as I am disappointed when people put even a moderate like Biden in the same boat as him, I wouldn’t use the word “traitor”.
But your point stands, no death threats.
I would love if I met more Communists who are more willing to have constructive conversation with the other Leftist groups, instead of the ones that group all of us in a wide-net neoliberal basket that includes everyone from Bernie Sanders to Adolf Hitler. So, thank you :)
Now this is a post I can get behind.
Take a hike, hug a tree, run your fingers through blades of grass, stare at nature and take it in.
Maybe even get a cheeky grill in while you’re at it
Grillpill me, baby
Alright so what you need is 3 large portobello mushrooms, ¼ cup canola oil (or oil of your choice), ¼ cup balsamic vinegar, 3 tablespoons chopped onion, and 4 minced cloves garlic.
First Clean the mushrooms; remove stems, reserving them for another use. Place mushroom caps gill-side up in a shallow dish.
Then Combine oil, balsamic vinegar, onion, and garlic in a small bowl. Pour mixture evenly over mushroom caps; let marinate at room temperature for 1 hour.
Go and Preheat the grill to medium-high heat; grease the grate.
Lastly, Grill those suckers over the hot grill until caramelized and tender, about 5 minutes per side; serve warm.
you do drink the mushroom water that collects in the cap while grilling, right? you cant just pour that out!
That can be sauce for the grill boss
damn this sounds really good
I’m genuinely curious what’s the difference between talking about our lives and politics?
Every boss, every landlord, every school board member, every person on your HOA committee you will ever interact with is deeply involved in politics and that has a direct impact on your life, whether you realize it or not.
Talking about inconveniences and commiserating with others is just life. Acknowledging systemic issues may be the source of your misfortune is politics.
- I had to wait aong time in traffic today.
✔️
- Public transit would be a nice alternative.
🚨🚨🚨 POLITICS DETECTED 🚨🚨🚨
You see, if you are white, straight and male, the answer is usually a big difference. For everyone else? Likely very little.
Singling out straight white men… so progressive!
Yo soy
I don’t know why people are down voting you when you’re right. Hell people are mad at you just for talking about it
I mean I was mildly flippant. But I am a straight white guy, so you know, I’m not really punching up or down here?
It doesn’t matter what direction you’re punching here. You’re being called out because your analysis is wrong. Yes, politics in the west is certainly dominated by straight white males, but the important common trait that these people have is their class. Politics in most of the world is dominated by capital owners. Straight white males are afforded some concessions because it creates a divide among the working class. This does not mean that they are not oppressed due to their class character. Working class straight white males can and do suffer from some of the same oppression however, at a lower rate. This oppression is still unjustifiable.
Also every person who bitches about safe spaces: “ban dresses on men because it makes me feel funny”
The people that whine about safe spaces tend to have safe spaces of their own, and glaringly so, like “free speech” forums that ban people for opposing nazi shit.
Bingo Bango
Their politics aren’t politics. Their politics are just the default, common sense, or invisible because they only get mad if they notice the politics.
Anti communists can stay malding
Hexbears stay winning
Well, I saw politics@lemmy.world was US only. So I blocked it.
That’s pretty much the extent of my involvement in moaning/bothering about politics here.
So I blocked it.
Who talks about politics on the internet? Round here we yell and fight about politics.
No we don’t you fascist swine!
The truth is somewhere in the middle, like always
Edit: apparently I should have put /s at the end
…what?
You made a joke, I played on it further. Should I have put “/s” at the end?
I just had no idea what those words in that order even meant lol
Maybe they have no meaning or maybe they do. Maybe my wording was poor since I’m not a native speaker.
Or, like always, maybe the truth is somewhere in between.
You absolutely should, since there is crapton of people out there which really prefer to throw that line completely seriously instead of moving their grey matter for a while.
