All that is only valid if you assume that there is a lesser evil between the two. That’s your problem, you’re left all confused at our stubborn refusal of voting for the democrats because you assume that we agree with you that the Democrats are less evil than the republicans. we don’t (those I know at least don’t).
I’m telling you that honestly, I haven’t seen any evidence that the Democrats would be any less bad, nor any evidence that they have been any less bad until now, on the contrary. I haven’t seen any of the peoples who keep telling us to vote blue give any evidence than the Democrats are less bad, you just take it as an axiom that they are, never try to actually demonstrate it and build your entire argument on this very much unfounded basis.
All this article is saying is that the Republicans openly boast about the evil things they do and their voters are openly pro-Israel, both of which I already know, and neither of which contradict what I said.
Yes, the Democrats don’t give speeches in which they shamelessly talk about what they’ll do to all the peoples they hate the way the Republicans do, and pretend to care about minorities instead. But that doesn’t matter what they say, it’s too easy to say shit you don’t mean, what matter is what they do, and what the Democrats are doing is, as I’ve said, sending every weapons they can afford to Israel so that they can continue to slaughter Palestinians.
I see where you’re coming from, but once again, this is mostly the Democrat parties saying stuff and not doing anything meaningful.
This article is talking about the Republican wanting to pass a bill forbidding withholding weapons from Israel over Biden saying (as in, not doing) that he might withhold weapons shipments.
Digging a little in the links off your article, the only instance of Biden actually doing something is this. Which to be fair, sound convincing at a glance.
But let’s examine closer:
First of all, as is clearly written, the shipment is merely paused meaning they will still deliver it eventually. So already I can tell they don’t actually intend to hold back on the weapons and are just trying to calm the peoples angry at them for what they’re doing. If they’re elected again, as soon as they get to office they will resume giving every single bit of armament they can afford to Israel.
Now let’s talk even more concrete, how much does this pause in the weapon shipments really affect the genocide. As anyone who was following the events since October 7 can tell, the genocide continued completely unbothered, and of course it did:
A US official told CNN on Tuesday that the shipment, which was held back last week, includes 1,800 bombs weighing 2,000 pounds and 1,700 bombs weighing 500 pounds.
This is the article’s description of the paused shipment, 1,800 + 1,700 = 3,500 bombs in total.
Israel has dropped 45,000 bombs on Gaza since October 7 alone (so not counting the ones dropped before), This report dates back from Mars so the actual current number is probably much much higher.
Sources: Bombings in populated areas: a new extreme reached in Gaza
3,500/45,000 = 0.07 = 7%
This shipment represent a mere 7% of the bombs dropped on Gaza, for the record the bombs the Israelis uses have a failure rate of 9% ~ 14%. In other words, this paused shipment bothered the ongoing genocide less that the small chance the bombs they do have might malfunction and fail to explode.
I should also mention the fact that they paused the shipment of just 2 types of bombs out off all the weapons the US delivers to Israel, that’s essentially nothing.
Source: Which US-made weaponry does Israel, which stands ….
It’s all just lip service, good optics so that their convinced voters (you) can come at us all smug and go “see? they’re not that bad”, but when you look closely, there is nothing, it’s just a show to make themselves look good, there is nothing actually meaningful going on.
And beside, let’s be honest, the reason they even did this inconsequential stunt of pausing this shipment is above all because the Democrat’s handlers knew that if Israel want into Rafah, they would just get their asses handed to them by Hamas and put the whole country in an even worst situation that they already were, which is exactly what happened.
Source: Hamas Prepare Traps for IDF in MAJOR Counteroffensive.
Here is just a taste of the people you are naively putting your hopes in. I already said the Dems are the lesser evil. Beating your chest and pointing it out isn’t moving the argument forward. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear the Reps are not simply just unsympathetic but hostile to anti-zionists.
You are holding a shitty hand and everyone knows it. Threatening to go all in on the Reps is going to get called every time. All you can do now is fold, hope your chips go to the almost sympathetic Dems, and start playing the next hand dealt.
I’m not putting my hopes in the republicans, that’s a strawman and I’m sure you know that.
I already said the Dems are the lesser evil.
You still didn’t give any evidence that they are. You just assert that they are and retreat to pretending like I’m supporting the Republicans when I didn’t buy the Democrat’s “good optics” as proof that they are less evil.
The evidence is overwhelmingly clear the Reps are not simply just unsympathetic but hostile to anti-zionists.
So are the Democrats, have you not seen what kind of things they say about the anti-genocide protests? Have you not seen Kamala’s statement about the protests when Netanyahu was visiting? Or all the violent police crackdown that happened under the Democrat’s watch since October 7?
You are holding a shitty hand and everyone knows it. Threatening to go all in on the Reps is going to get called every time.
You know what else will get called out? You blatantly lying about what I said because you ran out of counterarguments.
I don’t support the Republicans, they’re horrible too. It’s your unproven assumption that the Democrats are better that I’m criticizing here.
All you can do now is fold, hope your chips go to the almost sympathetic Dems, and start playing the next hand dealt.
the almost sympathetic Dems
Ha, yes. The genociders who are almost sympathetic to the peoples they’re genociding. Again, no evidence, just faith.
“The Democrats are the lesser evil, no I won’t prove it, you must accept it in your soul that they are the good guys, reject the evidence of your eyes and your ears telling you that they keep doing the things they used to criticize Trump for less than 5 years ago, just believe in the holy blue party!!!”
The more time passes the more Blue MAGA becomes a fitting title for the convinced Democrats crowd.
Saying something doesn’t make it true. I’ve done nothing but provide evidence the Republicans are worse, in their own words, if you’d read it. I notice you didn’t address that at all. The very fact you say ‘no, the Dems are worse’ proves you support republicans because at this point it is one or the other. There is no plausible 3rd choice. That is the crux of American politics you fail to grasp and try to conceal by calling me a liar.
Throwing a tantrum because the Dems are technically the ones in power and so you place all the blame on them is weak tea. It’s not even close. The House vote Republicans initiated to force the Dems to stop delaying the release of weapon shipments had 16 Dems vote for it, versus 208 Reps. Press releases by Republican Senators calling the Dems “weak Palestinians” in a blatantly racist attempt to belittle their hesitation. What the Fuck more do you need? Them to get into power and start invading Palestine with American troops? Get a clue, come on.
I’ve done nothing but provide evidence the Republicans are worse, in their own words, if you’d read it.
No, you didn’t. Once again you’re focusing on what the parties and their voters are saying and ignoring what they are doing.
I’ve already addressed why the article you linked don’t prove that the Democrats are less bad 👈 This is what I’ve requested evidence for, in case you forgot. I don’t need you to tell me the Republicans are bad, I already know that.
The very fact you say ‘no, the Dems are worse’ proves you support republicans because at this point it is one or the other.
An other strawman. When did I say that the Dems were worst? I said they were both bad. That’s my whole point since the beginning: that there isn’t any lesser evil between the two. They are both equally bad, only the optics, the presentation, the aesthetic is different.
Throwing a tantrum because the Dems are technically the ones in power and so you place all the blame on them is weak tea.
It does put the blame on them though. As president, Biden is the chief of the entire US military, he could literally send one e-mail and end all shipment to Israel immediately, he has that power right now he just chose not to use it.
And that’s just what the president alone has the power to do. Let alone the entire Democrat party with all the senators and governors that have.
The House vote Republicans initiated to force the Dems to stop delaying the release of weapon shipments had 16 Dems vote for it, versus 208 Reps.
That’s meaningless lip-service once again.
If the bill don’t pass, they’ll maybe do one or two more bullshit pause in the shipments and boast that they’re so fucking great and progressive for it even though it doesn’t even bother the ongoing genocide in any meaningful capacity for the reasons I explained.
If the bill do pass, they’ll get a free excuse to continue to unconditionally support Israel while getting to pose as great progressives for the even cheaper price of simply crying crocodile tears on TV and social medias about the bill, while not actually doing anything against said bill.
In both cases they get their voters (you) to berate everyone about the Democrats just because they didn’t vote for a Republican bill they at best feel neutral toward.
Press releases by Republican Senators calling the Dems “weak Palestinians” in a blatantly racist attempt to belittle their hesitation.
Yes, the Republican don’t care if you see them for what they are while the Democrats are scrambling to convince their voter base that their evil actions somehow don’t makes them the ‘bad guys’. Again, nothing new, and nothing that contradict my position.
If you have two racist KKK members uncles coming to Christmas eve, would you say that the one who at least shut up during dinner is better than the one who vomit racism on the table, or that it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day they are still both KKK members and you should kick out both? I say the second option.
What the Fuck more do you need? Them to get into power and start invading Palestine with American troops? Get a clue, come on.
They won’t do that. The American military know they would lose an open war in the region and that if they lose it would be the end of Israel. I know that Trump is a dumb fuck, but he’s not alone, there are corporations, handlers and generals behind him who won’t let Trump wreck Israel by his stupidity.
The only way the US would send the army is if Iran, Hezbollah and Yemen attack Israel first, in which case the Democrats would sent the army too.
Your argument sits on what ifs with no basis in reality.
All that is only valid if you assume that there is a lesser evil between the two. That’s your problem, you’re left all confused at our stubborn refusal of voting for the democrats because you assume that we agree with you that the Democrats are less evil than the republicans. we don’t (those I know at least don’t).
I’m telling you that honestly, I haven’t seen any evidence that the Democrats would be any less bad, nor any evidence that they have been any less bad until now, on the contrary. I haven’t seen any of the peoples who keep telling us to vote blue give any evidence than the Democrats are less bad, you just take it as an axiom that they are, never try to actually demonstrate it and build your entire argument on this very much unfounded basis.
Your claim here that the Republican could do worst implicitly assume that the Democrats are holding back and not giving as much to Israel as they could, except 1) the Democrats are way too rabidly Zionist and full of AIPAC money for that to be true and 2) the US, right now under a democrat president, is already sending Israel everything they can afford to send without risking to escalate into a war with Iran and Lebanon against whom they know them and Israel would lose (they did war-games to simulate a war against Iran, they lost badly. Sources: How the U.S. Military Lost a War to Iran (In a Simulation, That Is) - Mackenzie institute A $250 Million War Game and Its Shocking Outcome - The National Interest Millennium Challenge 2002 - wikipedia)
“This is how the Republican Party became so strongly pro-Israel”
All this article is saying is that the Republicans openly boast about the evil things they do and their voters are openly pro-Israel, both of which I already know, and neither of which contradict what I said.
Yes, the Democrats don’t give speeches in which they shamelessly talk about what they’ll do to all the peoples they hate the way the Republicans do, and pretend to care about minorities instead. But that doesn’t matter what they say, it’s too easy to say shit you don’t mean, what matter is what they do, and what the Democrats are doing is, as I’ve said, sending every weapons they can afford to Israel so that they can continue to slaughter Palestinians.
Meanwhile… back in reality
I see where you’re coming from, but once again, this is mostly the Democrat parties saying stuff and not doing anything meaningful.
This article is talking about the Republican wanting to pass a bill forbidding withholding weapons from Israel over Biden saying (as in, not doing) that he might withhold weapons shipments.
Digging a little in the links off your article, the only instance of Biden actually doing something is this. Which to be fair, sound convincing at a glance.
But let’s examine closer: First of all, as is clearly written, the shipment is merely paused meaning they will still deliver it eventually. So already I can tell they don’t actually intend to hold back on the weapons and are just trying to calm the peoples angry at them for what they’re doing. If they’re elected again, as soon as they get to office they will resume giving every single bit of armament they can afford to Israel.
Now let’s talk even more concrete, how much does this pause in the weapon shipments really affect the genocide. As anyone who was following the events since October 7 can tell, the genocide continued completely unbothered, and of course it did:
This is the article’s description of the paused shipment, 1,800 + 1,700 = 3,500 bombs in total.
Israel has dropped 45,000 bombs on Gaza since October 7 alone (so not counting the ones dropped before), This report dates back from Mars so the actual current number is probably much much higher. Sources: Bombings in populated areas: a new extreme reached in Gaza
3,500/45,000 = 0.07 = 7%
This shipment represent a mere 7% of the bombs dropped on Gaza, for the record the bombs the Israelis uses have a failure rate of 9% ~ 14%. In other words, this paused shipment bothered the ongoing genocide less that the small chance the bombs they do have might malfunction and fail to explode.
I should also mention the fact that they paused the shipment of just 2 types of bombs out off all the weapons the US delivers to Israel, that’s essentially nothing. Source: Which US-made weaponry does Israel, which stands …. It’s all just lip service, good optics so that their convinced voters (you) can come at us all smug and go “see? they’re not that bad”, but when you look closely, there is nothing, it’s just a show to make themselves look good, there is nothing actually meaningful going on.
And beside, let’s be honest, the reason they even did this inconsequential stunt of pausing this shipment is above all because the Democrat’s handlers knew that if Israel want into Rafah, they would just get their asses handed to them by Hamas and put the whole country in an even worst situation that they already were, which is exactly what happened. Source: Hamas Prepare Traps for IDF in MAJOR Counteroffensive.
Here is just a taste of the people you are naively putting your hopes in. I already said the Dems are the lesser evil. Beating your chest and pointing it out isn’t moving the argument forward. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear the Reps are not simply just unsympathetic but hostile to anti-zionists.
You are holding a shitty hand and everyone knows it. Threatening to go all in on the Reps is going to get called every time. All you can do now is fold, hope your chips go to the almost sympathetic Dems, and start playing the next hand dealt.
I’m not putting my hopes in the republicans, that’s a strawman and I’m sure you know that.
You still didn’t give any evidence that they are. You just assert that they are and retreat to pretending like I’m supporting the Republicans when I didn’t buy the Democrat’s “good optics” as proof that they are less evil.
So are the Democrats, have you not seen what kind of things they say about the anti-genocide protests? Have you not seen Kamala’s statement about the protests when Netanyahu was visiting? Or all the violent police crackdown that happened under the Democrat’s watch since October 7?
You know what else will get called out? You blatantly lying about what I said because you ran out of counterarguments. I don’t support the Republicans, they’re horrible too. It’s your unproven assumption that the Democrats are better that I’m criticizing here.
the almost sympathetic Dems
Ha, yes. The genociders who are almost sympathetic to the peoples they’re genociding. Again, no evidence, just faith. “The Democrats are the lesser evil, no I won’t prove it, you must accept it in your soul that they are the good guys, reject the evidence of your eyes and your ears telling you that they keep doing the things they used to criticize Trump for less than 5 years ago, just believe in the holy blue party!!!”
The more time passes the more Blue MAGA becomes a fitting title for the convinced Democrats crowd.
Saying something doesn’t make it true. I’ve done nothing but provide evidence the Republicans are worse, in their own words, if you’d read it. I notice you didn’t address that at all. The very fact you say ‘no, the Dems are worse’ proves you support republicans because at this point it is one or the other. There is no plausible 3rd choice. That is the crux of American politics you fail to grasp and try to conceal by calling me a liar.
Throwing a tantrum because the Dems are technically the ones in power and so you place all the blame on them is weak tea. It’s not even close. The House vote Republicans initiated to force the Dems to stop delaying the release of weapon shipments had 16 Dems vote for it, versus 208 Reps. Press releases by Republican Senators calling the Dems “weak Palestinians” in a blatantly racist attempt to belittle their hesitation. What the Fuck more do you need? Them to get into power and start invading Palestine with American troops? Get a clue, come on.
No, you didn’t. Once again you’re focusing on what the parties and their voters are saying and ignoring what they are doing.
I’ve already addressed why the article you linked don’t prove that the Democrats are less bad 👈 This is what I’ve requested evidence for, in case you forgot. I don’t need you to tell me the Republicans are bad, I already know that.
An other strawman. When did I say that the Dems were worst? I said they were both bad. That’s my whole point since the beginning: that there isn’t any lesser evil between the two. They are both equally bad, only the optics, the presentation, the aesthetic is different.
It does put the blame on them though. As president, Biden is the chief of the entire US military, he could literally send one e-mail and end all shipment to Israel immediately, he has that power right now he just chose not to use it.
And that’s just what the president alone has the power to do. Let alone the entire Democrat party with all the senators and governors that have.
That’s meaningless lip-service once again.
If the bill don’t pass, they’ll maybe do one or two more bullshit pause in the shipments and boast that they’re so fucking great and progressive for it even though it doesn’t even bother the ongoing genocide in any meaningful capacity for the reasons I explained.
If the bill do pass, they’ll get a free excuse to continue to unconditionally support Israel while getting to pose as great progressives for the even cheaper price of simply crying crocodile tears on TV and social medias about the bill, while not actually doing anything against said bill.
In both cases they get their voters (you) to berate everyone about the Democrats just because they didn’t vote for a Republican bill they at best feel neutral toward.
Yes, the Republican don’t care if you see them for what they are while the Democrats are scrambling to convince their voter base that their evil actions somehow don’t makes them the ‘bad guys’. Again, nothing new, and nothing that contradict my position.
If you have two racist KKK members uncles coming to Christmas eve, would you say that the one who at least shut up during dinner is better than the one who vomit racism on the table, or that it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day they are still both KKK members and you should kick out both? I say the second option.
They won’t do that. The American military know they would lose an open war in the region and that if they lose it would be the end of Israel. I know that Trump is a dumb fuck, but he’s not alone, there are corporations, handlers and generals behind him who won’t let Trump wreck Israel by his stupidity.
The only way the US would send the army is if Iran, Hezbollah and Yemen attack Israel first, in which case the Democrats would sent the army too.
Your argument sits on what ifs with no basis in reality.