This post is not about the anime and related works themselves, but the game as an element of the fictional world. Spoilers ahead.
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There’s the obvious: full immersion and “you die in real life”, but I feel like there’s more to the game that sets it apart.
First and foremost, progression in SAO was collective. For example, once a floor boss was beaten by anyone, a new floor would be unlocked for all players. This stands in contrast to existing MMOs, where players progress individually and interactions between them often feel optional. Of course, cooperative multiplayer games exist, but I can’t recall a single one where this concept would be taken to a larger scale.
Secondly, since not all players needed to beat bosses, others could specialize. In most if not all RPGs there’s a concept of classes and skill that impact how you beat the main story line and what side content you encounter, but in SAO you could make side aspects your main aspect, like the smiths we’ve seen in the series. I’ve found similar quality in multiplayer Factorio, a sandbox game of automation and tower-defense-like fighting, where oftentimes some players would focus on base building, while the others went out for combat.
It is mentioned in the series that quests are automatically created by the main system (what we would call procedural generation). While there were certainly hard-coded elements, infinite variety of procedural content is an interesting aspect, especially in times when almost all information about popular games can be looked up on numerous wikis. Starbound is a game that made heavy use of procedural planets, weapons, enemies and quests. For me similarities eventually became apparent and items lost the freshness, however the quality of being unable to perfectly min-max everything remained and I appreciated it.
Is there something else that you think SAO had, that existing games don’t? Do you know other games that experiment with these concepts?
SAO was classless, with players leveling up individual skills instead of their character as a whole (though of course there was also a player level). ESO is pretty similar in that regard, but RuneScape might be closer, especially since we know SAO has serious crafters. The biggest showpiece for SAO seemed to be the complex and expansive skill system. Not only did Kirito have his sword skills, and dual wielding, he also had alchemy and fishing skills, and some kind of thrown hunting needle.
It also has open-world housing, which is super rare. The only game I know of with something similar is Archeage, but AA is PvP focused (and I haven’t played it in like 8 years). Probably works a lot better in a game where you know the exact number of players, and it can’t increase lol
Crafted gear was better than drops, which is a in-game economic choice by the developer. It’s hard to have serious crafters without that, so it made sense for the story. I don’t have much personal experience with games where that is the case, but it’s usually pretty popular.
Probably the thing that really set SAO apart though, and something I don’t think we’ll ever see in real games, was the fact that floors were only cleared once, so the game was less an MMO grind, and more an organized campaign by the hardcore players. The mega-dungeons that had to be mapped by players worked well in this system, but would probably be annoying in an actual game. At its heart, it was a single player RPG created for Kirito, because it had to be for the plot. A lot of it’s “systems” can’t really translate to real life
Star Wars Galaxies and Ultima Online had open world housing as well, I believe.
Star Wars: Galaxies had a killer open world housing system! I loved it and nothing else I’ve played has even come close to what SW:G had. Plus, after a bit of patching they included a system where you can create a city that shows up on the map, including shuttle/fast travel points and benefits to locals. Housing wasn’t instanced, so you could build nearly anywhere on the map outside of in-game cities and other players cities. It was truly awesome. Sony Online Entertainment screwed it over again and again and again, and now it’s gone. I played that game for years.
Never played UO but I heard good things.
Both before my time, unfortunately, but I’ve only ever heard good things about them!
Right now we have music festivals and large ren faires where people go for a week to enjoy something together. Imagine if some time in the future we could slow our brains perception and achieve am SAO-like experience for people in a week at a festival-like environment!!! What an interesting experience that would be
I don’t have much personal experience with games where that is the case, but it’s usually pretty popular.
It’s actually pretty unpopular in most games with hard end game content. Raiders want the best gear to come from the hardest content to make their efforts valuable and to feel rewarded.
SAO has a different nature to it though making a new zone and eventual escape the reward rather than focusing on gear. It also presents the idea of rare resources being better for making gear, the sort of thing that would immediately be farmed for drops so the gear can be sold off. But it also sells us on the idea that crafting takes some level of skill or at least that the results are unique enough based on skill and materials that they’re usually aren’t duplicates for rare crafts.
It’s actually pretty unpopular in most games with hard end game content. Raiders want the best gear to come from the hardest content to make their efforts valuable and to feel rewarded.
I must spend too much time around crafters lol
Personally, I prefer it because it brings more types of play into endgame, and encourages socialization. That’s the kind of opinions I’ve seen as well. So long as raids give other rewards people want, it isn’t a problem. I think being able to raid for materials is also very cool
Raiding for better gear to raid harder stuff is a cycle we’ve seen a lot. A broad feeling is that dropping materials to give to a crafter to get your gear slows and diminishes the reward and doesn’t benefit things any. Honestly Wildstar’s crafting was some of the best crafting I’ve seen. It was moderately skill based, made better materials important, allowed for alternate material components and allowed you to tweak the stats. So if someone wanted a specific stat distribution they could get it made that way, but a better crafter might make the stats better.
I’m still looking for a game that actually makes crafting skill-based and a good crafter better than an average one given the same gear and level or w/e. Until that happens crafters will always be an after thought.
Actually the closest thing in terms of the classless skill system would be pretty much the granddaddy of all MMOs, Ultima Online.
Before my time, I’m afraid. I hear it was great though
Very different to the games that came after it, and probably the actual inspiration for SAO in the show. The whole thing about players speccing into crafting or whatever and then setting up their own shop was a really big thing on UO servers. Players would literally build entire towns together, and then fill them with shops that they would run. There was a huge part of the player base that were basically civilians, kind of like Arma modern life roleplay servers.
Also, for the record… It’s still running, somehow.
ESO is pretty similar in that regard
Isn’t ESO a classy system? I’ve not played the game since shortly after its release…probably put more time in during the betas than I did in the official game. But from my memory, I think that they talked about the idea that any class could be specced into any role, and that at least early on people were saying that they hadn’t done a great job of that, but that the best class for a role wasn’t intuitive. But still, definitely not classless.
ESO has classes, but yeah, they can fill multiple roles, and you also take skills from other trees to complete your builds
As an actual game it was pretty terrible. Unique skills only being learnable by a single person, multiple nested menus to perform basic functions like equipping something, lots of questionable things like overtuned traps and trap rooms in low level areas.
Also, only melee builds. No ranged, no magic, no healers, no support. Everyone is either tank or DPS, that’s it.
I don’t think this, in particular, makes the game bad as long as the game is designed around the lack of support.
That lack of variety would absolutely suck if you’re not super into the specific gameplay it does offer. SAO would have a very small player base, because you’d never pull in those players who like support or backline roles.
No agrument there. I’m just saying that can’t be labeled as ‘bad game design’ like the examples the TO listed can. I believe a game isn’t required to aim for as many players as possible. An MMO only needs enough players to sell the illusion that there are other people with agency shaking up the world, and I believe you can achieve that with a couple thousand players. You can easily find tens of thousands of people that would play a melee only MMORPG, especially if it were full dive.
(This is, of course, handwaving the economics of funding an MMO)
“Multiple nested menus to perform basic functions like equipping something”
Damn no need to roast Elden Ring alive like that! :D
The underlying threat of serious consequences changed player behaviour, psychologically.
Today gamers throw themselves into monsters with limited regard for consequences, which changes our perception of the encounters.
I wonder what would happen if number of deaths was a tracked stat that acted as a multiplier for player skills / powers.
If high number of deaths increased your power people would just try to die as often as possible. If it decreased your power you would just have a more extreme divide between the ultra-skilled people who get rewarded and the rest who fall further and further behind. Sort of like MOBAs only more extreme.
I think people would just create new accounts over and over again and transfer their stuff over.
Yeah you’re right, a divider. Or a 0.x multiplier I suppose.
And you’re also right about the divide between highly skilled and not, but I think that’s what we saw quite strongly in SAO. The side effect of serious consequences separated the players.
I don’t think it’s a successful design approach for a commercial game, most players do not play permadeath even if it’s an common option.
The semblance of tactics and effort in combat. Not having rote animations. Of being able to interact with anything.
The height of a boss matters, it’s size, it’s reach. You can run on walls. An avalanche causes physical snow not just an animation and damage numbers.
It’s the little things that aren’t possible with current gen tech, and might not ever be possible.
It’s none of the real/explicit mechanics and all of the gaps.
If I understood the premise correctly, wasn’t it the first full dive MMO? That would make any game popular.
I don’t play many MMOs these days, but i do know at least one Korean MMO that hits two of those. In mabonogi areas were unlocked by players after they released and whoever unlocked it has their name recorded at the entrance, and life skills (stuff outside of fighting; crafting, playing music, etc) were a major focus of the game. Honestly, expansive skill systems outside of combat are basically necessary for an MMO to be considered good imo.
Are there non-fictional MMORPG’s?
There are some war-themed ones, so realistic MMORPGs definitely exist. Sword Art Online however is fictional in the sense it’s not an actual released game. It’s made up as the central element of a light novel series of the same title, later adapted into a popular anime.
“Day Job”
Look up foxhole. It’s a pretty fun war mmo. Different in a lot of aspects from a normal MMORPG but “realistic” in that it could have happened in an alternate reality. It’s grounded in science and history, but different factions and technology.
Every function of the economy felt it was a game in its own right. Crafting required skill just like fighting did.
Full dive makes it way more immersive too, so more subtle things like taste and closer details matter more.
The world, while a game, really felt like it was ment to be lived in too.
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