Last SLA printer I touched was the original Anycubic Photon with Anycubic cure & wash with Anycubic tough resin. Looking at all the current options I am lost what I should buy. Resin heating, pressure detection, vat tilting and all of this wasn’t a thing back than.
With the past experience in mind what printer, curing staton & resin should I get?
for the printer:
First three points have to be fullfiled. The others aspects are more nice to have.
- relaible!!! I want to start a print and return once it is done. Not worrying about print failures
- Works with a good slicer. Back in the day I used PrusaSlicer with UV-tools to convert it to Anycubic fileformat.
- resin vat mixing (vat tilting is good enough) to prevent resins from seperating during long prints
- decently sealed print volume: reducing the vapours/“smell”
- “speed”: should be faster than the original Anycubic photon
- build volume: at least 127×80×150 mm. Larger is better (ideally upto 160x160 mm parts)
- network connectivity instead of USB-sticks or SD-card.
- budget approx. 500€.
cure and washing:
- easy to keep clean
- at least two washing containers (first stage dirty IPA, second stage “clean” IPA)
- good solution to let the resin and washing fluid drip off the print
- smooth rotation. Had to modify the Anycubic cure and wash because prints kept falling
- uniform curing. This includes curing the top and bottom of prints
- I noticed none of the printers have magnetic/spring metal build platforms. Are they outdated/no longer required?
- budget depends but for a good solution, I would spend approx. 300€.
cleaning liquid: Is isopropanol alcohol (IPA) still the goto?
resin:
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Will be used for structural parts meaning impact resistance paired with decent rigidity is important. In Detail impact resistance on paar with Anycubic though resin. Ideally slightly more rigid. Some wear resistance is a benefit (e.g. gears).
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Decorative clear resin that won’t yellow
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“low cost”. Would pref an under 30€/kg resin with a budget of upto 50€/kg (approx. 5kg order volume/lot size)
What am I considering at the moment?
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used Prusa SL1S with CW1 for approx. 800€: Last experience with Prusa firmware was outstandingly bad. The Prusa mini had constant crashes/required reboots and had even to be removed before turning the printer on as otherwise it wouldn’t show firmware errors/wouldn’t start. Hardware on the other hand was pretty reliable so I hope that the SL1S is reliable, has bugfree firmware, and native prusaslicer support. Replacement parts should also be available for years to come which is great.
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elegoo saturn 4 ultra 16K: This printer got me thinking. Cost a fraction of the Prusa, is larger, has modern features and appears to be reliable. I remember that a while ago chitobox added DRM so I am not sure if I want to buy this if I am stuck with chitubox slicer.
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Anycubic Photon Mono M7 pro Instead of tilting they use a pump for resin circulation. How big of a pain is it to clean this? Anycubic slicer last time was uselss and I have no clue if Anycubic also pushed DRM meaning I couldn’t just switch to a good slicer. I really like the pressure detection to detect print failures.
Cure and wash?
No idea. all the solutions I have looked at seem to be still similar to the old anycubic cure and wash. The Prusa CW1 on the other hand looks like a well-thought-out solution.
Resin?
No idea.
Elegoo are my goto for resin printing, they are one of the more open manufacturers, and their ABS-like 3.0 is actually very ABS like. I use it a lot for model railway parts and it goes very well.
I use a Saturn 2, but either Saturn 4 or Mars 5 (ultra has more features but ofc more expensive) would do well. Of your choices, I would definitely recommend the Saturn 4. their Mercury wash and cure stations go quite well. I still use Isopropyl for washing, but they do a resin cleaner mix that sone swear by.
A note on the Mercury wash station: despite being sold in a bundle with the Saturn 4 ultra, the build plate of the Saturn 4 series does not fit in the tub, so I would not recommend it for those printers.
Recomendation?
The buildplate should fit to make it easy to use.
This is true, but I dont think any will fit the saturn build plate, or none I am aware of. I just take the prints off the supports or plate and put them in the wash basket.
If you don’t want to have to think, Hey Gears and their walled garden of printers and resin is what you’re looking for. Their printer, their slicer, and their resin. But you don’t have to (and can’t) mess with settings. And any failures are on their customer service to troubleshoot.
DRM on the resin combined with their high resin pricing is an issue. Heygears ABS-like is close to $90/kg while other ABS like are $25/kg.
Sadly this printer will never be a cost-effective solution with those jacked-up resin prices.
You were asking for a works out of the box solution. That’s the tradeoff. You can’t have turn off your brain simplicity and low cost.
I use the Elegoo Saturn printer and Mercury curing station. No problems so far. I use an old plastic container for my initial wash, and reserve the included container purely for the final wash. I’ve had no issues so far. They’re fairly cheap, especially if you buy second-hand; mine came from the official Elegoo eBay page for refurbished products. I got both for about $300.
For resin, I basically exclusively use the Saturn for tabletop minis, so I use Sunlu ABS-Like because it has enough flexibility that arms and stuff flex a bit instead of breaking. If you want something more rigid I can’t really suggest anything.
FauxHammer on youtube has some pretty good reviews of the popular printers. There are pros and cons to all of them so its really just about deciding which works best for your use case
relaible!!! I want to start a print and return once it is done. Not worrying about print failures
Well, any printer will do that if you calibrate it well enough. I have seen many people not doing anything in that regard and complaining that they can’t get anything to print.
However, getting to that calibration can be easier or more involved.
Works with a good slicer. Back in the day I used PrusaSlicer with UV-tools to convert it to Anycubic fileformat.
I only used PrusaSlicer for FDM prints; for resin, I use Chitubox or, more often, Lychee Slicer. “Good” is fairly ambiguous here because what would a “good” slicer look like to you? Either of the ones I mentioned would be good and are fairly popular.
resin vat mixing (vat tilting is good enough) to prevent resins from seperating during long prints
I don’t think that most consumer resin printers have this sort of feature. The Lift and retract of the built plate should be enough to keep the resin well-mixed and any resin that is separating because of that wouldn’t be something that I would consider buying again anyway. Funnily enough, since you mentioned Anycubic Resin, this was specifically my experience with it that it easily separated. Never had this problem with other manufacturers like Elegoo or Sunlu.
at least two washing containers (first stage dirty IPA, second stage “clean” IPA)
This would be hard to get “out of the box”, but you might be able to get a replacement container for the wash station separately (at least that is what I did).
I noticed none of the printers have magnetic/spring metal build platforms. Are they outdated/no longer required?
This is mostly an upgrade that you can do to add a magnetic sheet on which you then can add this flexible built plate. This is still around like WhamBam Flex plates. I used that on two of my printers but never bothered to do that on my current printer because with the right raft and bottom exposure settings there isn’t much need to do that, also it is messier.
cleaning liquid: Is isopropanol alcohol (IPA) still the goto?
Pretty much for any “normal” resin. Water-washable resin has gotten more popular but the majority is still cleaned with more aggressive solvents like IPA.
Cure and Wash? No idea. all the solutions I have looked at seem to be still similar to the old anycubic cure and wash. The Prusa CW1 on the other hand looks like a well-thought-out solution.
I think this should be answered based on what printer you choose in the end. My first Printer was an Elegoo Mars 2 Pro with a combo wash and cure box from Anycubic. I always had to remove the models from the built plate before washing them, which made a mess and I used so many paper towels to clean that up.
With my Saturn 4 Ultra, I can just take the built plate and put it into the Wash bucket and let both the built plate and the models get clean which is so much more convenient and I have less of a mess to clean up because it is just IPA that I have to wipe up and not Resin and then clean the surface with IPA again and wipe that up too.
As for the Printer, I am pretty happy with my Saturn 4 Ultra at the moment. It is affordable and I could quickly get it to print because of the Auto levelling feature (which isn’t really auto levelling) and the integrated exposure test which is much faster than what UVTools would generate. The VAT tilt is a bit dangerous because of a potential resin leak of the release film, leaking into your printer’s internals, but it will speed up the printing process quite a bit.
The other features like the camera weren’t that interesting to me but the 16K version has, for example, a light (which the first gen was missing) so you would also be able to check the printer in a dark environment. On the other hand, the AI detection for print failures is still something I would consider a gimmick because it would only do that from one side, the side facing the camera. A failure on any other side would not be detected.
Unfortunately, I also don’t have any other experience with other brands or printers, I only ever had Elegoo printers from the Mars 2 Pro, the Original Saturn and now the Saturn 4 Ultra and was fairly happy with all of them in what they brought me.
Well, any printer will do that if you calibrate it well enough.
Pain point in the past where the build platform. Prints frequently failed because they would lift from the aluminum plate.
After a lot of trouble, I switched to a flexible buildplate which first was blasted with course “sand” followed by fine glass beans. flexplate so I can remove the print. The course surface makes the print stick but not stick too well. Would like this time to avoid all of this troubleshooting.
Also considered buying one of those printers that work upside down by projecting the light onto the surface and the print is lowered into the resin vat.
“Good” is fairly ambiguous here because what would a “good” slicer look like to you?
Good workflow (UI design), decent automatic support generation, good tool for manually brushing/configuring support material and ideally an elephant foot compensation setting/calibration for the first layer which has a significantly longer exposure time.
Support generation and being able to manually edit those pushed me toward PrusaSlicer.
The VAT tilt is a bit dangerous because of a potential resin leak of the release film, leaking into your printer’s internals
How big of an issue is that? Are there upgrades to seal the printer?
Back in the day, it was more or less a total economic loss for those cheap printers: LCD damaged, UV-array damaged and a complete mess within that was hard to clean.
I have an Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. I hate that it’s proprietary, but in the resin printing world the only non-proprietary option is Prusa, and it was just too small and expensive to justify. My Elegoo doesnt get network connectivity (so no risk of unapproved updates), and I use prusa slicer to slice and then uvtools to convert to the “encrypted” chitubox format. Since the printer isn’t allowed to update, I’m not worried about ever being forced into using chitubox.
I don’t really care about network connectivity for it; the built in camera is useless for me. I just have a rpi zero with a webcam on it for monitoring, and I also have an IOT switch controlled by that pi via a lan-only http server with a toggle button to control its power. If I see a print is failing via the webcam, I just cut power to the whole printer to stop it remotely. This works even outside my LAN via VPN.
I do still have to start prints the old fashioned way using a usb stick. This doesn’t bug me much, since I have to go check on resin levels, make sure there’s no crap in the tank, etc before starting a print anyways. I have a short usb extender cable to avoid wearing out the usb port on the printer itself as well. I have mucked about with using the rpi as a dummy usb drive where I can just upload files to the rpi and then the printer reads off of it via the usb port, but I couldn’t get it working :/
I’m happy enough with the printer itself - it’s fast, reliable (so far) and produces some high quality prints. The price was very reasonable at the time (iirc $450 for the printer, $250 for wash and cure station), all things considered. If someone ever produced a mainboard that supported an open-source firmware for it, I would buy and install it in a heartbeat.
Great to hear you like it and that UV-tools work with it. What I hated about anycubic photon workshop was that the support generation was 100% manual (automatically created unusable results). PrusaSlicer was so much easier to work with.
The nice aspect of network connectivity is comfortably moving files to it and receiving a notification once the print is done.
I keep misplacing USB-sticks or it is a pain to first walk to the printer, picking up the stick, returing to the PC, and walking once more to the printer.
CW1 is too pricy for me, but as far as I am concerned it is the only resin printer than exists. All the others are proprietary. So I haven’t looked into them further. Sorry I’m no help. I didn’t want to leave ya with no replies.
I care about proprietary in the sense that I am locked to a certain slicer. Don’t care if the mechanical design and firmware is proprietary.
Also I don’t care that much about replacement parts. Affordable FEP-film (or those never versions of release film) is important. Other replacement parts are nice to have but never had to repair anything (the highest risk I see is flooding it with resin or dropping something in the vat that will crush the screen and if you are careful this is highly unlikely to ever happen especially now with the pressure detection on some printer models).
The issue in this area is actually that the screens are proprietary from those making them, but that leads to a criminal corporate culture down the line in most cases. The datasheets for most high resolution displays are locked behind nondisclosure agreements and not publicly available.
I support all levels of open source, but that is a personal opinion and not anything mod or community related here. I’m not monolithic in my hobby interests so I expect to put things down and return to them at will. That is not compatible with any subscription nonsense. The SLA space seems dominated by such subscription schemes IMO. Big messy projects or large spaces for stuff are not something I can do, so I am probably biased from that angle too.
Software subscription and DRM on resin/filament are huge red flags. Had a look at heygears offerings as people describe it as the BambuLab equivalent for SLA. Looking into it, the feels more like a FormLabs company with overpriced resins and DRM to make you buy their resin.
Spending once 1.5-2k€ for the Flex RS printer is fine (more than I would like) but paying 40-70€/kg for resin killed it. Just not possible to economically justify paying twice as much for the source materials (resin). This would mean HeyGear jacking up the production cost by approx. 50-80%, indefinitely. A better option is it spend a day dialing in a third-party resin on the Prusa or Elegoo.
subscription = selling the same software indefinitely
paid upgrades = forced to deliver value/improvements with each paid update
for materials it is similar:
DRM = jacking up prices
open = competing on quality: You could use our first-party product with perfect integration but you are free to source whatever you like
I think the only reason I might consider getting a SLA printer in the future is for making buttons, switches, and very small mechanisms. FDM is not very good for these in my experience so far, though I haven’t tried to print them with something like a 0.25 mm nozzle yet. The interface angles and texture have a very large impact on how a button slides into a small button on a circuit board and or is even more sensitive when the printed button is depressing a metal switch dome on a PCB.
Are there any really small SLA printers that have a rigged open tool chain for such an application? I care about stupid-tiny types of things like the buttons on the side of a phone.
On my bucket list is to etch my own 4+ layer circuit boards and make some really small stuff at home just to say I can.