• nednobbins@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Physics tells us that CICO predicts weight gain and heaps of empirical data tells us it’s one of many relevant factors.

    Most people don’t really control their weight by counting calories. They go by how they feel and our feelings,are heavily influenced by our biochemistry. Semaglutide doesn’t work by giving people will power or self control; it works by targeting GLP-1 receptors to make them feel full sooner.

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      Most people don’t really control their weight by counting calories. They go by how they feel and our feelings,are heavily influenced by our biochemistry.

      Yeah, and that’s why they’re overweight and that’s why I said it takes planning and effort. Wanting to feel “full” is a big part of the problem. The easy food options are too calorie dense for that.

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        2 days ago

        Weight is a pretty poor predictor of planning and effort.

        The overwhelming evidence is that for some people it takes far more work to maintain a healthy weight than it does for others.

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        That approach always fails in the long run. Yes, you can lose weight by just counting calories. But you are fighting your body every step of the way. And even after you reach your target weight, your body will constantly be trying to return to the overweight state. In the end, your will will almost certainly fail. Are you prepared to religiously count calories, be constantly tired, and miserable for the rest of your life? Then sure, you can rely on physics alone to keep your weight down.

        But that is not how human beings were meant to live. We’re meant to simply eat until we’re full. What we’re talking about is a massive public health problem. And public health problem is not obesity. The public health problem is that the “full meters” of hundreds of millions of people have been irrevocably damaged by modern processed foods. Your set point, your full meter, your satiation reflex, whatever you want to call it. This is as a part of your body as any other organ or gland. When someone breaks their arm, we don’t demonize them for having a broken arm. When someone has a broken full meter however, we decry it as a moral failing.

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          It seems to me you are mostly right but not all the way right. People eat until they are full and also many, many people have a broken sense of satiety. Of course part of the blame lies with foods designed to incentivize people to overeat.

          However.

          1. The average person is in my opinion inexcusably ignorant of what foods (s)he SHOULD be eating. This education topic is my wife’s job, but the amount of people who can’t tell you what a carb is, or as adults don’t eat “green” foods, or a million other things is astounding. There’s an education crisis on this front.

          2. There are remedies to the problem of satiety (though surgical) but I suspect habit also plays a large role. You don’t need to count calories your whole life to get the hang of portion size. Not everyone has the executive function to stick to it, but that’s the next point.

          3. We don’t demonize people with broken arms, that is true. BUT people with broken arms seek treatment, and also they heal in less than a year no matter what. It’s disingenuous to make being overweight for your whole entire life the fault of the rest of the world. There are absolutely contributing factors, but there is also only ONE person who is accountable. I’m not saying weight should be demonized or persecuted, but “it would be hard to lose weight” is a pretty dumb reason to increase your all cause mortality without at least trying a lifestyle change.

          This last bullet point is why I’m suggesting the physics approach. It is irrefutable. If you put more in your body than you use, you will gain weight. If you put in less you will lose weight. There is literally NO WAY this doesn’t work. It may not be pleasant or infinitely maintainable for everyone, but it’s true.