But see, now she doesn’t have time to organize or even attend a Revolutionary action of any kind!
The first rule of a successful abuse of power is to make people too busy trying to survive to worry about what your policies are
The Jan 6ers made the time. Not sure how many jobs they have.
Trump die-hards are largely petty bourgeois, ie small business owners. They can make their own time.
Had not heard this term before, so I learned something new today. Thank you. And yes, this explains a lot.
No problem!
The “fun” thing with the petty bourgeois as they relate to Trump is how classes relate to fascism. Fascism materially arises from a frustrated petty bourgeoisie aligning with the Bourgeoisie against the Proletariat along nationalis and xenophobic lines.
petty bourgeois
Hours too late for an actual Bone Apple Tea. I’m such a let-down.
It’s both, actually. I use Petty Bourgeoisie when speaking with non-Marxists sometimes, though it makes little difference.
Petit* bourgeois, it’s French so you spelled it like it sounds.
It’s both, actually. I use Petty Bourgeoisie when speaking with non-Marxists sometimes, though it makes little difference.
The language that famously has three+ silent letters per word?
Cops make a surprisingly high amount of money.
The Jan 6ers made the time. Not sure how many jobs they have.
Then? Unemployment. Now? Unemployment.
A lot were retired, some police and other minor tyrants, and some were just full time white nationalist organizers.
Read Marx, everyone.
No, but thank you though.
Why not?
Long, boring, hard to pay attention to. I read philosophy and theory sometimes but it’s few and far between for those reasons. I really have to be in a special mood to sit down and read something that dense.
Long, boring, hard to pay attention to.
There are simpler, shorter, and easier works by Marx, Like Critique of the Gotha Programme, Wage Labor and Capital, as well as Value, Price, and Profit.
Reading Marx is like reading Adam Smith. Both wrote about economic systems before economics was even a thing. All ideas start somewhere but our ideas, and our society, have advanced dramatically in the 140+ years they’ve been dead. They’re more interesting for historical purposes than economic ones.
But it’s also hard to know what contemporary economists are arguing without reading those foundational writers
All of Marx’s main concepts, surplus value, classes and class struggle, alienation, are just as relevant today as when they were written. Much like Newton, Marx built the solid foundation that scientific socialists stand on today.
Right, but nobody tells anyone interested in physics to read Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. If you’re interested in history, sure. If you’re interested in physics, read a modern physics textbook.
Yeah, nobody learns Maxwell’s equations anymore, they’re so 19th century. 🤡
Easy to follow vidyas onYoutube might be more engaging.
Das Kapital described crypto before digital computers were even an idea. His work is still relevant.
I thought to look this up cause I think it’s neat and it’s often the case that some technology is described long before you’d think. The first description of using electrical switches to do logic operations came in 1886 in a letter from Charles Sanders Peirce. That’s between Capital volume 2 and 3, and most importantly, AFTER he described the law of value.
Both wrote about economic systems before economics was even a thing.
Lol. Lmao, even.
and our society, have advanced dramatically in the 140+ years they’ve been dead.
In what manner has this proven Marx wrong?
You’re very good at saying you’re right and very bad at providing evidence. The best thing about lemmy’s size is I can recognize which usernames to disregard immediately after enough encounters.
What evidence am I supposed to provide here, exactly? I’m asking for clarification.
Memes. Look at their username.
The books Marx wrote are the evidence. If you read them then you’d see why they are obviously relevant today. Of course, reading and understanding serious literature takes more effort than trolling on public forums.
Are there any modern books which talk about the same/similar contents which are easier/smaller for a beginner to start?
It’s always hilarious when illiterates proceed to make clowns of themselves by discussing things they haven’t read.
Do you have a good starting point? I have a rudimentary understanding of Marxism, but not much in the way of details.
Here’s a good study list, but it’s specifically about marxism, so some deprogramming from imperial propaganda first might be needed, Blackshirts and Reds (and most other books by Parenti) is good starting book in English
Thanks, that is a lot to sink my teeth into!
I’d suggest Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds. Or APeople’s Guide to Capitalism by Hadas Thier.
Thanks for the suggestions. Starting with Blackshirts and reds now.
I read while listening to the audiobook to keep me focused, ‘cause I’m old.
I have a lot of suggestions, but for starters, what do you know so far, and what do you think you’re lacking in?
Why would I want to read some crusty old dude that is outdated?
Political theory has moved on since Marx yet people still cling to him like a religion (like a cult).
Because he isn’t outdated. People have built upon him, but the foundations he and Engels laid out remain true.
Good idea. Read about a hypothetical economic theory that is impossible to implement unless everyone become obedient to a small group of elitist while pretending the people are in control. I’m sure you’ll get it right this time
You’re exactly the type of person that needs to read Marx.
If you work 40 hours a week and you STILL can’t afford to pay basic living expenses, then your economy sucks.
Girl is doing her best and changing what she can reasonably change within her locus of control.
That’s the cool part about the struggle against capitalism: Workers’ labor and consciousness of how it is used and and withheld is the single most powerful tool within this locus of control, as said labor is the very foundation of the economic system. And the most cost-and-time-effective and reliable acts within this locus to reasonably change circumstances such as better pay and conditions are also the most effective ways of challenging capital itself, like unionizing and organizing direct action with a wider group to support you and together shoulder the burden and the associated risks of daring to raise your head against your masters.
It works double as a prime tool for furthering class-consciousness and class-solidarity (which capitalists already have with each other when push comes to shove). Which then makes continuance of this, and the spreading of this knowledge, capability, inspiration to other shops even easier. From experience, this costs much less time, effort, and spirit, and is much better at solidifying and maintaining better conditions (and not just for yourself but for everyone), than hurling yourself individually into the carousel-blender of endless additional gig work while everyone else is also made to do that individually, forever, in isolation from each other and utter hope-death, which helps this all perpetuate itself.
I’ve seen it happen where just the mere fact of a union vote being filed and date set results in an instant pay raise among discussion from bosses of “We’re a family though! This will put others between us and things won’t stay friendly! MUH OPEN-DOOR POLICY!! BUT WHAT ABOUT UNION DUES!?!” Granted, I’ve also seen it where bosses just close down that shop-branch and reopen elsewhere (sometimes under a new name to avoid legal ramifications for blatant union-busting) because they’re so disgustingly rich and so scared of other branches catching wind and joining in, that it is deemed less costly than simply recognizing the will of their workers. So there is risk to be considered, hence the need to build awareness and solidarity among a wider organized group and in your community (and definitely also other branches/departments of your company, but with the care that it’s harder to know who to trust in the early stages than among direct coworkers. Punishment for union-advocacy may be illegal, that doesn’t mean the bosses won’t try to find ways to do it if they don’t think you’ve the support to make them pay for it).
But the defeatist and false, purely bourgeois-implanted notion that the only thing within one’s locus of control as a worker is to sell yourself HARDER and make capitalists RICHER in the race-to-the-bottom death-spiral of moribund capitalism is exactly how things get this bad and continue to for working people and oneself. Workers are in reality much more powerful (and more numerous) than the capitalists who require us. That is why they need us to think we have no other or better option, and poison the well to have us perpetuate our own and each others’ defeatism and compliance.
in short: Solidarity Forever
I feel that this post is a clear evidence of why do people believe in the dead internet theory.
why do people
That’s very ‘green jolly giant’ of you.
Yeah, but would a bot creatively insult you, you slack-jawed, basement-dwelling rat fondler?
😢
The first law of robotics never said the pain couldn’t be emotional.
I bet it would not be hard to have a simple script stringing together some words you paper-boned carpet-smelling mud eater
Listen here, you thin-skinned shitgoblin. you might like to think you’re clever and can program, but I have it for veritable fact that you’re and underpaid grundle hair braider who is barely making ends meet.
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I strongly recommend everyone read the Principles of Communism
Dunno why this is getting downvotes, I wholeheartedly agree. Engels does a great job of laying out in basic terms a lot of the common questions regarding Communism, its history, and its necessity. Great introductory text.
And it’s written in buzzfeed listicle format! Engels truly ahead of his time.
That’s why I recommended it
¿Porque no los dos?
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That’s a good one 😂
Lemmy-level comedy
