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PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to HistoryPorn@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 years ago

American Communists aligned with the Soviet Union attack protesting Ukrainians during the Soviet-engineered genocide of the Holodomor, Chicago, USA, 1933

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American Communists aligned with the Soviet Union attack protesting Ukrainians during the Soviet-engineered genocide of the Holodomor, Chicago, USA, 1933

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PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to HistoryPorn@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 years ago
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    There have always been tankies defending genocide!

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      Remember, it’s only genocide if it’s perpetrated by the West or capitalists.

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    How would I know that just from that picture, there’s nothing in it to show anything of what’s happening other then some fight in the old days captured on camera

    At the very least post a source

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      It’s housed on Wikimedia Commons, though doesn’t seem to be used in any English-language pages: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Communists_attacking_a_parade_of_Ukrainians_in_Chicago._17.12.1933.jpg

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      https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-a-female-jewish-journalist-alerted-the-world-to-ukraines-silent-starvation/

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        The article says the Holodomor was the result of forced collectivization, which is wrong.

        It was the result of deliberate anti-resistance policy. This was not a consequence of Lysenkoism or inefficiency in transition to industrial methods, it was the genocide of a troublesome territory.

        The USSR would even refuse offers of food relief from other nations once the stories started breaking. And they would export Ukrainian grain as well, then point to the exports and say “See? They aren’t starving. They have surplus to sell!”

        Pretty similar situation to the Irish and Bengal famines tbh. I guess it’s just a known play in the evil empire handbook at this point.

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          Multiple causes, honestly. But genocidal intent is one of the big causes, yes.

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      Also the title is just terrible

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        What would you suggest? Not a snarky question, legitimately, if you have a better title that expresses the same thing, I’m all ears. I’m not always great with titles.

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        I’ll be snarky… unless you have a better solution keep your mouth shut.

        If you want to whine and criticize go ahead, but at least offer a better solution.

        This shit grinds my gears.

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      Big “Climate scientists disagree on global warming!” energy

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      For those saying it is genocide:

      Prisoners in the United States jumped from 120,284 in 1923 to 210,418 in 1933. (Source (p. 210))

      Executions increased to 197, the highest number in US history, in 1935. (Source)

      The U.S. forcibly deported one million of its own citizens to Mexico in the 1930s. Source

      Since you’re probably using an intentionally ridiculous US estimate, I’ll use an intentionally ridiculous Russian estimate and say that seven million people died from the Great Depression. This Russian estimate uses the same intentionally ridiculous methodology of the U.S. one.

      Put together, why isn’t this enough to declare that a genocide happened in the U.S.?

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        Whataboutism, always the first resort of tankies getting called out for their bullshit.

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