Okay, yeah, that’s pretty bad. Thanks for expanding my understanding. I’d never actually heard any of these names other than Sea of Stars before this post, so I came in pretty blind.
Honestly, I was more airing my frustration with what seemed at first glance like a very similar situation to the whole Justin Roiland thing from earlier this year. He got kicked off his own shows based on what turned out to be false allegations, and never got so much as a public apology.
I’ll still wait to pass judgement until more is known, but I at least see that the content removal wasn’t purely done out of fear of public response.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who exist in this weird venn crossover of “This is America it’s their right to perv on teens/be a bigot/whatever other skeevy shit” and “You’re literally infringing on their freedom if you decide you don’t want to work with somebody, you should be forced to do business with them regardless of how terrible or toxic they are”
There’s no extreme here buddy, except yours. You admit guy is an asshole, then complain that people didn’t want to continue working with said asshole. Why does he have the right to be a terrible person, but his coworkers don’t have a right to cut ties with him?
I never said anything about rights. Again you’re putting words in my mouth. Gross. Stay out of my mouth.
Of course people have the right to choose not to work with him. What I’m saying is that it’s morally wrong to force him out of his own show because he used to be a horny, creepy jerk. He’s (probably) learned his lesson and nobody else will be “victimized” by him, so all forcing him out does is harm the show and him. Nobody benefits.
“I’m not saying they can’t not work with him, I’m just saying it’s morally wrong to not work with him.”
There’s actually alot more than this single issue to him being let go anyway (not that you care,) but it’s super telling about you as a person that you’re dying on this hill that it’s infinitely more morally wrong to refuse to work with a pedo creep than it is to be a pedo creep.
You keep putting words in my mouth. Is it a fetish thing? I don’t wanna kink shame, but I did ask you to stop a few comments ago.
Since you seem to have a need to paint someone as the “bad guy” in this conversation, why don’t I help? It’s you. You’re the bad guy. You repeatedly, blatantly attribute false quotes to me, then use those false premises to try to win an argument that you started. There are only so many “putting words in my mouth” and “extra straw” jokes I can make, so I’m done.
Congratulations! You win by default. Go tell all your friends and neighbors that you beat back the evil forces of nuance and mutual understanding with nothing but a battalion of straw men.
Making comments like that and worse to young teenage fans makes him look a lot like a predator. You should read some of the text exchanges where he’s encouraging girls who he’s been talking to for years and have just turned 18 to hang out and get drunk with him.
Roiland isn’t a great person, but great artists rarely are. All charges were dropped, so all he’s guilty of is being a horny creep, like most men of his generation.
I personally wouldn’t do anything like that now, but I definitely would have in my cringey youth. People learn and grow. I’m not him, so I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure he won’t do or say anything like that again. How does canceling him now benefit anyone?
He’s from the 80s. I generally despise sweeping generalisations about generations, but I don’t think I’ve seen “millennials are sexual predators” before.
Okay, yeah, that’s pretty bad. Thanks for expanding my understanding. I’d never actually heard any of these names other than Sea of Stars before this post, so I came in pretty blind.
Honestly, I was more airing my frustration with what seemed at first glance like a very similar situation to the whole Justin Roiland thing from earlier this year. He got kicked off his own shows based on what turned out to be false allegations, and never got so much as a public apology.
I’ll still wait to pass judgement until more is known, but I at least see that the content removal wasn’t purely done out of fear of public response.
Not here to comment on the Justin Roiland thing, just here to say you should watch Karl Jobst on the whole Completionist controversy
A wild Justin Roiland truther has appeared.
So he’s an asshole. That’s pretty on-brand for him. Doesn’t make him guilty or deserving of getting hit with the cancel stick.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who exist in this weird venn crossover of “This is America it’s their right to perv on teens/be a bigot/whatever other skeevy shit” and “You’re literally infringing on their freedom if you decide you don’t want to work with somebody, you should be forced to do business with them regardless of how terrible or toxic they are”
And I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who live in this weird dimension where everything is an extreme and nuance doesn’t exist.
But hey, in the spirit of cooperation, I’ll gladly share the extra straw I have out back, 'cause it seems you enjoy building strawmen.
There’s no extreme here buddy, except yours. You admit guy is an asshole, then complain that people didn’t want to continue working with said asshole. Why does he have the right to be a terrible person, but his coworkers don’t have a right to cut ties with him?
I never said anything about rights. Again you’re putting words in my mouth. Gross. Stay out of my mouth.
Of course people have the right to choose not to work with him. What I’m saying is that it’s morally wrong to force him out of his own show because he used to be a horny, creepy jerk. He’s (probably) learned his lesson and nobody else will be “victimized” by him, so all forcing him out does is harm the show and him. Nobody benefits.
“I’m not saying they can’t not work with him, I’m just saying it’s morally wrong to not work with him.”
There’s actually alot more than this single issue to him being let go anyway (not that you care,) but it’s super telling about you as a person that you’re dying on this hill that it’s infinitely more morally wrong to refuse to work with a pedo creep than it is to be a pedo creep.
You keep putting words in my mouth. Is it a fetish thing? I don’t wanna kink shame, but I did ask you to stop a few comments ago.
Since you seem to have a need to paint someone as the “bad guy” in this conversation, why don’t I help? It’s you. You’re the bad guy. You repeatedly, blatantly attribute false quotes to me, then use those false premises to try to win an argument that you started. There are only so many “putting words in my mouth” and “extra straw” jokes I can make, so I’m done.
Congratulations! You win by default. Go tell all your friends and neighbors that you beat back the evil forces of nuance and mutual understanding with nothing but a battalion of straw men.
Making comments like that and worse to young teenage fans makes him look a lot like a predator. You should read some of the text exchanges where he’s encouraging girls who he’s been talking to for years and have just turned 18 to hang out and get drunk with him.
Roiland isn’t a great person, but great artists rarely are. All charges were dropped, so all he’s guilty of is being a horny creep, like most men of his generation.
I personally wouldn’t do anything like that now, but I definitely would have in my cringey youth. People learn and grow. I’m not him, so I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure he won’t do or say anything like that again. How does canceling him now benefit anyone?
He’s from the 80s. I generally despise sweeping generalisations about generations, but I don’t think I’ve seen “millennials are sexual predators” before.