• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    assuming if it was not possible to pirate you were going to pay for the game

    That’s not a reasonable assumption at all.

    Sometimes people can’t afford the extortionate game prices and thus wouldn’t be bying them no matter what.

    Other times, such as with the Denuvo DRM monstrosity or draconian anticheat systems on single player modes, pirated copies are better than bought ones.

    And, as you say yourself, sometimes you just don’t want to support the capitalists ruining games in order to squeeze every possible cent of profit out of them regardless of what that means for the quality of games and treatment of gamers.

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      Sometimes people can’t afford the extortionate game prices and thus wouldn’t be bying them no matter what.

      In that case piracy is fully justified. If you wouldn’t have bought it if piracy wasn’t an option then I have no issues.

      Bottom two reasons: yeah fuck DRM capitalism. I didn’t say I’m against pirating, I just need to find the logical justification :)

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      If you want to play a game - pay the owner.

      If you can’t afford it - don’t pirate it. It’s not yours.

      Upd: Wow, there are a lot of freeloaders in this thread.

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          Creators often sell rights to their game in exchange for money then and there. So creators are not anyways owners.

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        If you can’t afford it then pirate it. There is no victim so I really see 0 reason not to.

        “it’s not yours” is not valid. Who owns it then? Disney? Why does Disney deserve to own it any more than you? They didn’t put in any work to make it, the actors, directors, vfx artists, writers, producers, camera people, etc etc made the film. How come they don’t own any of it?

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          “it’s not yours” is not valid.

          Huh? The legal system would politely disagree.

          Who owns it then?

          For the USA look it up in the USPTO database (USPTO = United States Patent and Trademark Office) or in game’s EULA.

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            21 hours ago

            You specifically chose one sentence from my argument and anilised that while ignoring all of the context around it.

            Do you understand there is a difference between what is legal and what is ethical and sometimes the law can be unfair or unethical?

            I still dont see any issues in a victimless crime.

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              14 hours ago

              You specifically chose one sentence from my argument and anilised that

              Two sentences.

              And I find copyright infringement still unethical. Because you are taking what’s not yours, and the thing you’re taking - is not some vital resource type you’re taking out of desperation. It’s a game.

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                6 hours ago

                Two sentences.

                I stand corrected.

                Because you are taking what’s not yours

                But does the legal owner deserve to own it and profit off it? Again I ask you, do you understand the difference between what is ethical and what is legal.

                It’s a game.

                Piracy extends to all forms of media and software, not just games. I believe media is still incredibly important to a persons development. Media in all forms is a way to learn from other people and create a deeper understanding of how the world works. And taking that away from something because they don’t have the means to access it legally is not right. On top of this people deserve to have fun, and taking away peoples opportunity to have fun just because they don’t have the means to access it legally is also not right.

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                  do you understand the difference between what is ethical and what is legal.

                  What is ethical to one - isn’t for another. That’s why we have a legal system.

                  On top of this people deserve to have fun, and taking away peoples opportunity to have fun just because they don’t have the means to access it legally is also not right.

                  Who will pay for game development and distribution?