Yeah but money is already fake and we already live in a post-scarcity society. The people at the top of social hierarchies aren’t just going to let the world go to temporal communism. Why would someone who lives on the street play nice if they can murder a guy with a mansion and try again the next day if they lose?
They’ll figure something out. Accountants will become teams of oral history keepers. Cops will torture and murder you for jaywalking.
But they can’t stop you from waking up there and they’re not going to spend every morning rounding the same people up. Even if they did, go ahead, throw all my shit on the sidewalk, I’ll still wake up there tomorrow. It would be interesting to see how they react to it, because there’s no meaningful way for them to control people (that I can think of, but they’re pretty creative when they need to be)
OP mentioned physical pain. If you choose to ignore the paper-thin coating of instructions like “don’t follow the guards out of the prison’s front door”, that’s the main way they make you follow rules now. Tasers, batons and stress positions being most frequent specific methods.
In the West we’re so deep in the ideology and the rules we forget there’s force everywhere, but there is.
What for? There’s no reason to try and force anyone to do anything. It’s all completely pointless because whatever you get out of them will be gone the next day. Plus, how do they collect the people every day? Unless you surprise them every morning somehow, I think most people would just say no, even upon pain of death (potentially suicide) after the first few torture sessions, especially if you know that people have died and they still come back the next day.
You can make plans for the beginning of the day, but you can’t intentionally wake up earlier than you did the first time, so raids or similar tactics are unlikely to work unless you’re targeting someone who originally slept until noon.
What for? There’s no reason to try and force anyone to do anything.
Well, I was just pointing out there ways to do it, if the need arises. I’m not actually convinced, like OP was, that they’d try to continue collecting rent the same way.
Plus, how do they collect the people every day? Unless you surprise them every morning somehow, I think most people would just say no, even upon pain of death (potentially suicide) after the first few torture sessions,
I doubt we’d go back to stretching on the rack or something; besides peoples ethical objections it would be impractical as pointed out, especially when you can’t build new racks. But, inevitably someone will get in a dispute with someone else, and will want it solved by force. Cops already rough up or taser people on the spot, and making it the punishment itself would be an easy deviation.
Yeah but money is already fake and we already live in a post-scarcity society. The people at the top of social hierarchies aren’t just going to let the world go to temporal communism. Why would someone who lives on the street play nice if they can murder a guy with a mansion and try again the next day if they lose?
They’ll figure something out. Accountants will become teams of oral history keepers. Cops will torture and murder you for jaywalking.
But they can’t stop you from waking up there and they’re not going to spend every morning rounding the same people up. Even if they did, go ahead, throw all my shit on the sidewalk, I’ll still wake up there tomorrow. It would be interesting to see how they react to it, because there’s no meaningful way for them to control people (that I can think of, but they’re pretty creative when they need to be)
OP mentioned physical pain. If you choose to ignore the paper-thin coating of instructions like “don’t follow the guards out of the prison’s front door”, that’s the main way they make you follow rules now. Tasers, batons and stress positions being most frequent specific methods.
In the West we’re so deep in the ideology and the rules we forget there’s force everywhere, but there is.
What for? There’s no reason to try and force anyone to do anything. It’s all completely pointless because whatever you get out of them will be gone the next day. Plus, how do they collect the people every day? Unless you surprise them every morning somehow, I think most people would just say no, even upon pain of death (potentially suicide) after the first few torture sessions, especially if you know that people have died and they still come back the next day.
You can make plans for the beginning of the day, but you can’t intentionally wake up earlier than you did the first time, so raids or similar tactics are unlikely to work unless you’re targeting someone who originally slept until noon.
Well, I was just pointing out there ways to do it, if the need arises. I’m not actually convinced, like OP was, that they’d try to continue collecting rent the same way.
I doubt we’d go back to stretching on the rack or something; besides peoples ethical objections it would be impractical as pointed out, especially when you can’t build new racks. But, inevitably someone will get in a dispute with someone else, and will want it solved by force. Cops already rough up or taser people on the spot, and making it the punishment itself would be an easy deviation.