Ignoring indie games here is ignoring the answer to the entire premise. It’s part of the equation.

It would be like complaining that there’s no place to see big cats, while not mentioning the zoo at all.

This author has no fucking clue that the indie gaming industry exists.

Like Balatro… you know, the fucking Indie Game of the Year, that was also nominated for Best Game of the Year at the Game Awards.

Localthunk was able to build this in Lua… WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

Meh… given the choice between low-effort AI art and low-effort crayon drawing, I think I’ll take the AI art, please.

I mean, if these guys are willing to do morally reprehensible stuff like this, then it should just be expected that they would do the same kind of thing for whatever new products they develop.

AI-generated materials are already exempt from copyright. It falls under the same arguments as the monkey selfie. Which is great.

Crack copyright like a fucking egg. It only benefited the rich, anyway.

If you take that image, copy it and then try to resell it for profit you’ll find you’re quickly in breach of copyright.

That’s not what’s happening. Did you even read my comment?

Why? I think the only thing that is bad with the practice is involvement with kids. Enforce age limits within the gambling sites, and really that’s up to the FTC and gaming commissions.

The Alex Jones bankruptcy is the first time I’ve seen anyone fined significantly to the point of it mattering.

The Alex Jones case is a textbook example of what happens when a rich person is so overconfident that he does even less than the absolute bare minimum to defend himself in a court case. He defaulted on the case! That’s the absolute zero of stupidity in legal terms.

I don’t really consider the Alex Jones case to be a win. It was a fluke, and if he had even put up a slight bit of effort, it would have turned out very differently. You know, like 99% of the other cases where the rich is legally attacking the poor.

I guess the idea is that the models themselves are not infringing copyright, but the training process DID.

I’m still not understanding the logic. Here is a copyrighted picture. I can search for it, download it, view it, see it with my own eye balls. My browser already downloaded the image for me, in order for me to see it in the browser. I can take that image and edit it in a photo editor. I can do whatever I want with the image on my own computer, as long as I don’t publish the image elsewhere on the internet. All of that is legal. None of it infringes on copyright.

Hell, it could be argued that if I transform the image to a significant degree, I can still publish it under Fair Use. But, that still gets into a gray area for each use case.

What is not a gray area is what AI training does. They download the image and use it in training, which is like me looking at a picture in a browser. The image isn’t republished, or stored in the published model, or represented in any way that could be reconstructed back to the source image in any reasonable form. It just changes a bunch of weights in a LLM model. It’s mathematically impossible for a 4GB model to somehow store the many many terabytes of images on the internet.

Where is the copyright infringement?

I remember stories about the RIAA suing individuals for many thousands of dollars per mp3 they downloaded. If you applied that logic to OpenAI — maximum fine for every individual work used — it’d instantly bankrupt them. Honestly, I’d love to see it. But I don’t think any copyright holder has the balls to try that against someone who can afford lawyers. They’re just bullies.

You want to use the same bullshit tactics and unreasonable math that the RIAA used in their court cases?

Legislators have to come up with a way to handle how copyright works in conjunction with AI.

That’s the neat part. It doesn’t.

Copyright hasn’t worked for the past 100 years. Copyright was borne out of an social agreement that works generated from it would enter public domain in a reasonable time frame. Thanks to Mark Twain and Disney, the limit is basically forever, or it might as well be. Here we are still arguing about the next Bond film for a book series that was made in the fucking 1950s. Or the Lord of the Rings series, the genesis of all fantasy. Or thousands of other things that deserve to be in public domain already.

Copyright is a blunt tool that rich people use to bash the poor with. Whatever you think copyright is doing to protect your rights or your works is easy enough for them to just spend enough money with lawyers and cases until you cave. If copyright isn’t working for the public good, then we should abolish it.

People hate AI because it’s mostly developed and used by the rich as a shitty way to save money and layoff even more people than we’ve already had. But, it doesn’t have to be. All of these LLM projects were based on freely available research. Hell, Stable Diffusion is still something you can just download and use for free, despite the fact that Stability AI is still trying to wrestle back their own control into the model.

Instead of sticking our ears in our fingers and saying “la la la la, AI doesn’t exist, it must be destroyed/regulated/fined”, we could push this technology to open sourced as much as possible. I mean, let’s assume that we somehow regulate AI so that people have to pay to use copyrighted works for training (as absurd as that is). AI training goes down drastically, and stagnates. Counties like China are not going to follow those same rules, and eventually, China will be the technological leader here.

Or the program works, and other people who don’t give a shit about copyright freely allow AI to train their works. Then you have AI models that have to follow these arcane rules, but arrived at the same spot, anyway, but only for the rich people who can afford the systems that allow for that regulation. What the fuck was the point in the regulation, except to make it even more expensive to make?

Uhhhh, sure, I guess.

Typical RPS.

So, we’re moving on from bribery and straight to conflict of interest?

Borderlands 2 had an excellent antag with some pretty good writing. With Borderlands 3, the antags were so insufferable, with the rest of the characters only progressing the plot because of stupid decisions, that I really didn’t feel the need to continue.

I’m sure it starts with C and ends with “Strike”.

It will be the opposite. Even Microsoft hates kernel-level anti-cheat.

It’s just getting wierd because people can cash in on it easily.

Yep, I remember the old South Park episode about “Internet Dollars” something like 15 years old, and suddenly, people are figuring out how to do just that.

It’s bizarre they haven’t shut down this .ru domain.

Why is this coming from a Russian site?

(the idea that you are either best or worst)

“If you not first, you’re last.”

So, this guy is Ricky Bobby?