Chrome?
Ew.

Pancaked.

(First eat them out, then impregnate, it’s just the bear minimum of manners.)

The humans & their dwellings (food included) are free.
Cats can freely choose them & take over.

The juiciness of burgers & pineapples allow for better texture/mixture & flavour distribution/experience imho compared to pizzas that are usually relatively drier.

Same for various cuts of apples.

(I saw the meme first - did not have to check which community I’m in.)

I think all of those (Arch, Gentoo, Void) have unofficial or forked immutable versions. But I’m wondering why the immutable distros aren’t for “tinkerers”?

But I get it, and agree, current Linux phones arent for non-“tinkerers”, but isn’t that just how all things start in foss world/early unstable non-foss software projects? Surely that wouldn’t be the long-term goal.

Like Linux RISC-V desktops/laptops, but that is just the beginning.

Maybe that isn’t true but the original topic was “why Linux phones when AOSP forks exist” and I think “tinkerers” might think this way about Android.

Oh, definitely, but that is just the first/current stage.

My added comment is that, besides the tinkerers, AOSP is still in danger of Google (bcs it is by Google) - they are closing/trying to close down there open-sauciness of it (I know, the licences, but megacorp), delaying publishing the sauce code, and in the near future, I’m sure is it, making decisions that would be increasingly hard for AOSP to be used benevolently (they arent at the moment so hard on this bcs driver availability locks down what Android you can install on your phone).

The phone market and society would benefit long-term of Google wouldn’t have a monopoly in so many key areas.

Sorry, I couldn’t follow/I don’t think I understood you.

Why wound you want or need to run anything via CLI?

Most Linux users never use anything CLI (similar MacOS & Windows). Why would Linux phone users? And what does that have to do with android app devs?

The difference between Android and “proper” Linux? You said it:

But (what I said is that) all of that you can get in various Linux distros too - what I was saying that the basic difference for devs is Google/Android SDK.

… people miss Android … to play Android games? Omfg.

Android is a semi-immutable (heavily modified and basically owned by Google) distro that runs app in sandboxes.

What is the difference?

… so why are eg flatpak apps less secure than Android ones?

And Play & Apple stores are full of unchecked scam apps. They basically are solving this by securing the os more. Yet apps (even Instagram) can still take pics without your action. I assume they listed in on you too.

The app (& SDK) argument I think has more to do with user- and dev-base. Something that Microsoft failed at in the mobile market. So basically we need a quality/seamless way of running Android apps on Linux.

And since we can run Win games on Linux very nicely I think this wouldn’t be that much of an issue … Tho minimal industry support (eg banking apps) is still needed.

Yes, this.

Google is slowly but consistently closing down the ecosystem (that should have been openv all the way through anyways).

Just like with the search engine, the early ad-free serve-everyone-equally stage is dead. Now the monopoly is about to monetise what it can & control all the things.
(Thighs might escalate a bit quicker since the “Googles android” is prob at it’s peak market share rn & the China alternatives are gonna steamroll even oven giants like Google and Apple to a significant extent.)

It’s a bit diffident when you don’t have big megacorp subsidies (Meta, Google, various local-market apps, etc) & have to buy all hardware from third parties. And perhaps not have planned obsolescence. And upsales. And ad revenue. And frown upon slave or unhappy workforce & other negative society impacts.

Also it looks like an ok phone, low spec cameras, but still the usual dimensions, OLED, enough RAM & CPU to be usable in desktop mode, Linux.

… now listen here … I keep my body on edge, it has no idea when it’s getting switched to a super healthy or to a super unhealthy “diet”.

… for a split second I though another Siffredi is a talented snowboarder …

… there are trophies in activism?

People doing it for the right reasons wouldn’t care, people caring about such causes wouldn’t really award activists unless for like a lifetime achievement award. I’m guessing, I don’t know.

Spoken vs written word?

I’ve forgotten (over the decades) two languages I can still correspond in eg via email, but wouldn’t go past ordering food irl.

The fact she has massive & active anti-propaganda and/or blackout by all the major news agencies sounds like she is being treated as a very real & successful threat.

TIL they have mobile apps too.

Only on github tho (and Play Store :().

Fine, I’m naming mine Elvira to avoid confusion.