• RotatingParts@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    People need to stop thinking about Republicans vs. Democrats and starting think in terms of people vs. the government. We might be able to make positive change if we united.

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      9 months ago

      No, the government is huge, and most parts of it really don’t care about your data. They’re busy buildings roads, sewers and doing fundamental research. It’s really people vs the national security state.

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        9 months ago

        Don’t worry, every school shooting the 2A types bleat about how their guns keep us safe from tyranny (when they’re not busy voting for tyrants).

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          9 months ago

          Having guns is just like having encryption or any software.

          However, we shouldn’t let issues like guns get in the way of basic freedoms like the right not to be searched without a warrant

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            9 months ago

            Having guns is just like having encryption or any software.

            People aren’t mutilating school children beyond recognition or executing their ex-girlfriends with RSA encryption.

            However, we shouldn’t let issues like guns get in the way of basic freedoms like the right not to be searched without a warrant

            They can shoot it better then, like they promised.

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        9 months ago

        I think this is a chicken and egg situation, the more government the more it will morph into something bad for a portion of the people.

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          9 months ago

          As it turns out you need a strong government with today’s world. You can’t get away with a small isolated country town like you could back when the US was starting out.

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            9 months ago

            How do you know? How many good and bad wars has the US been involved in the last 100 years?

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      9 months ago

      It’s actually people vs. corporations vs. the government, and the corporations keep bribing the refs

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        9 months ago

        They allowed the dumbest of us all to have their dumb insurrection for the dumbest reasons in a very public way. I wonder why.

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        9 months ago

        FPTP voting is keeping us from having a functioning and free country.

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          9 months ago

          Yes, but there are countries with ranked choice voting that still ultimately come down to “red neoliberals vs blue neoliberals”. They’ve built a machine that is extremely difficult to stop.

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            Simply having something sane like score voting would make third party candidates viable and would increase the people attempting to run even with a difficult application process. We can then work on making it easier to apply.

            It’s literally just replace FPTP with score (or even ranked choice) and things would improve from there even without other changes to the election system.

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      70% of Republicans (some small government, eh?) and 40% of Democrats voted yes.

      All my math is wrong. See below for correct numbers.

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        9 months ago

        What math are you doing? I got 69% aye from the Democrats and 58% aye from the Republicans.

        Republican: (126 ÷ (126 + 88 + 4)) * 100 = 57.80% Democratic: (147 ÷ (147 + 59 + 7)) * 100 = 69.01%

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          88 is 69.84% of 126… Oh, I see my mistake. Haha. Thanks for the correction. I calculated what percentage of yes the noes are, instead of what percentage of total voters voted yes. I’m hella dumb! In my defense, I was still drinking my morning coffee, and nobody should ever listen to anything I have to say that requires rational thought before I have two cups of coffee.

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      And yet people say conservatives won’t vote to stop surveillance. I think we need to stop thinking about political lines. The drama with Trump definitely opened some eyes.

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        But they didn’t vote to stop surveillance? It was not stopped. They are the majority and they did not stop it.

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            These are like Lauren Bobo, Gaetz, and Green. This is unfortunately not a principled stance but instead because their cult leader told them to “KILL FISA!” IDK if better is the word. It is certainly a broken clock that was correct about that particular time of day.

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    9 months ago

    The so called “patriot act” isn’t enough. They need more ways to break the law. And by law I mean the Constitution. And by “break the law” I mean FISA.

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    9 months ago

    I am confused were the amendments to stop warrantless surveillance passed or not?

    The amendment… would ban warrantless surveillance of US persons…

    …Additional amendments… all passed.