I love the memes about how China is threatening Europe so much. The last time China did anything threatening to Europe it was when they had a war to kick the British out of China, and Europe will never forgive them for it
Can you enlighten us as to how China is authoritarian in a way that Europe isn’t? Because as far as I can tell, even if literally every single thing China is accused of by anyone is true, this is what their major crimes amount to:
Killing 10,000 protesters in Tiananmen Square
Imprisoning 1M Uighurs in Xinjiang
Sterilizing, abusing, and killing some number of Uighurs in Xinjiang, I’ve never seen numbers accompanying this claim
Suppressing Tibetan religious identity
Lack of queer rights
Not respecting Taiwan’s sovereignty
Suppressing political speech that goes against the government
General religious persecution of several religious minorities other than those mentioned above; Falun Gong, Christians, other Muslims, etc
Aggression toward their neighbors like India and the Philippines
Support of Russia during their invasion of Ukraine
Support of Myanmar during the Rohingya genocide
Let me know if I missed any.
Meanwhile, (mainly Western) Europe definitely has done the following in the past 50 years:
Funded and supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza, killing anywhere from 50,000 people per the Health Ministry to 500,000 per Donald Trump
Mostly refused to recognize a Palestinian state until quite recently
Exploited peripheral European states economically
Continued to hold assets belonging to former colonies in the Global South
Collaborated with the US to destroy the USSR and strip it for parts, causing one of the largest peace-time drop in life expectancy in history, and unleashing rampant economic and sexual exploitation
Allow thousands of immigrants to die in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching the continent.
Joined the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
Joined NATO actions to destroy the Libyan government, leaving the country in a state of utter chaos and making it one of the only places on earth with open air slave markets
NATO actions against Yugoslavia and Serbia (granted, to intervene in a genocide, but in a way that was not done to intervene in the Rwandan genocide; this suggests the intervention was primarily motivated by an extractive, imperialist interest)
Islamophobia; Hijab bans, rampant hate speech, racially stratified economies.
Backsliding queer rights in some countries, total lack in others.
I think there’s probably more I could go into, but I think that’s at least enough to make my case. If you want to believe China is authoritarian because you believe every point in the upper half is true, then I won’t stop you. But you’re on some craaaazy wypipo logic if you think the points in the bottom don’t mean that the same label ought to be applied to Europe.
Okay, I spent like 10 minutes searching my mind trying to fully understand where you’re coming from and meeting you halfway by listing things I don’t even believe to be true about China. If you can’t engage with people who disagree with you under those circumstances, then what level of engagement did you expect?
How is it fair to anyone reading your comments that you spend 20 seconds writing them (evidently that means you didn’t read my response)? How’s that fair to me? That’s really disrespectful.
I met people from China who unlike you understand their government is a proletarian democracy (which is different from a liberal democracy in many ways), you can even meet Chinese people here who’ll tell you that their government is democratic, but it’s not THAT hard to learn about a system you don’t understand by at least watching YouTube if you don’t have the patience or habit of sitting down to read.
I haven’t been to China because I’m poor and on the other side of the globe, have you been there yourself? There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.
I have been there, to several places. I have friends there. I know Chinese outside of China. They are not hard to find.
If you live in a big city, there are Chinese places. Go there and try to talk Chinese politics with anyone there, see what’s the general feeling. Sample that with a random European place and see how more easily you can talk politics with a French or an Italian. Thing is, China sends policemen to check the Chinese abroad behave correctly. Even outside China, they are on their toes.
That’s your homework before you try to explain to people online things about a country you never experienced.
There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.
China is far more advanced than most westerners believe, even though they start updating their views a bit. I also heard Dubai and Tel Aviv are very nice city to live in. Which tells you nothing about the ills of their governments.
Thing is, China sends policemen to check the Chinese abroad behave correctly.
that’s a far-right whackjob conspiracy theory perpetuated by the same people who think vaccines cause autism and that the world is run by a shadowy cabal of Jews with a space laser
There are Chinese people here, surely their opinion is more trustworthy than yours. If you’re gonna propagate conspiracy theories at least do the work of sourcing it. Finally, I’ve met Venezuelans who celebrated their own country being bombed, I’ve met Cubans encouraging brutal sanctions against their own people, same with diasporas from every other country that’s not a US neocolony or vassal. Them having roots from a place doesn’t mean they’re necessarily informed. If you meet them in the west then your sample size is people who left and people who were born to people who left. Many diaspora communities are literally connected to far-right dictatorships, militias, counter-revolutionaries and so on and on. But I’m sure your opinion matters more than the opinion of Chinese people living in China, chauvinist.
I’ve interacted with 5 - 7 Chinese users over Lemmy recently ish. Haven’t been, but one of my close friends went to Hong Kong pretty recently and enjoyed their time.
LOL. Worked with Chinese, discussed politics with Chinese (outside of China, for obvious reason to anyone who met any Chinese citizen). Try to get first hand accounts before praising one of the strictest censorship in the world. And learn a bit about the specifics of Hong-Kong, or better, meet activists there if this is your sample of China
Japan hasn’t even given a symbolic apology for their massive list of war crimes against China and all over Asia, Taiwan is part of China under international law, and the nationalist forces you defend were murdering communists while under attack by Japan. You fascist sympathizers…
Try to think why these supposed “threats” are such a big deal for an alliance of countries so far away from the region to be affected, and you might stumble upon the real reason why they hate China so much.
Spoiler alert, it’s because they can no longer take advantage of China like they did when it was under the boot of the British. They hate that it’s a sovereign country that works for its own benefit, and that their footholds in the region are unable to reverse the course of history as they’d like.
I love the memes about how China is threatening Europe so much. The last time China did anything threatening to Europe it was when they had a war to kick the British out of China, and Europe will never forgive them for it
This is a democracy vs authoritarian logic. Not a matter of territorial disputes.
Hopefully Chinese democracy will prevail against western authoritarianism.
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Change nothing lemmy.ml
Can you enlighten us as to how China is authoritarian in a way that Europe isn’t? Because as far as I can tell, even if literally every single thing China is accused of by anyone is true, this is what their major crimes amount to:
Let me know if I missed any.
Meanwhile, (mainly Western) Europe definitely has done the following in the past 50 years:
I think there’s probably more I could go into, but I think that’s at least enough to make my case. If you want to believe China is authoritarian because you believe every point in the upper half is true, then I won’t stop you. But you’re on some craaaazy wypipo logic if you think the points in the bottom don’t mean that the same label ought to be applied to Europe.
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In other words, you’ve got no argument, but you’re too stubborn to admit it.
Okay, I spent like 10 minutes searching my mind trying to fully understand where you’re coming from and meeting you halfway by listing things I don’t even believe to be true about China. If you can’t engage with people who disagree with you under those circumstances, then what level of engagement did you expect?
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How is it fair to anyone reading your comments that you spend 20 seconds writing them (evidently that means you didn’t read my response)? How’s that fair to me? That’s really disrespectful.
Oh please, don’t rob yourself of your time, you’re not adding value to the conversation anyway
How much time have you spent studying the Chinese system?
How many Chinese people have you discussed politics with? How much time have you spent there?
I met people from China who unlike you understand their government is a proletarian democracy (which is different from a liberal democracy in many ways), you can even meet Chinese people here who’ll tell you that their government is democratic, but it’s not THAT hard to learn about a system you don’t understand by at least watching YouTube if you don’t have the patience or habit of sitting down to read.
I haven’t been to China because I’m poor and on the other side of the globe, have you been there yourself? There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.
I have been there, to several places. I have friends there. I know Chinese outside of China. They are not hard to find.
If you live in a big city, there are Chinese places. Go there and try to talk Chinese politics with anyone there, see what’s the general feeling. Sample that with a random European place and see how more easily you can talk politics with a French or an Italian. Thing is, China sends policemen to check the Chinese abroad behave correctly. Even outside China, they are on their toes.
That’s your homework before you try to explain to people online things about a country you never experienced.
China is far more advanced than most westerners believe, even though they start updating their views a bit. I also heard Dubai and Tel Aviv are very nice city to live in. Which tells you nothing about the ills of their governments.
that’s a far-right whackjob conspiracy theory perpetuated by the same people who think vaccines cause autism and that the world is run by a shadowy cabal of Jews with a space laser
There are Chinese people here, surely their opinion is more trustworthy than yours. If you’re gonna propagate conspiracy theories at least do the work of sourcing it. Finally, I’ve met Venezuelans who celebrated their own country being bombed, I’ve met Cubans encouraging brutal sanctions against their own people, same with diasporas from every other country that’s not a US neocolony or vassal. Them having roots from a place doesn’t mean they’re necessarily informed. If you meet them in the west then your sample size is people who left and people who were born to people who left. Many diaspora communities are literally connected to far-right dictatorships, militias, counter-revolutionaries and so on and on. But I’m sure your opinion matters more than the opinion of Chinese people living in China, chauvinist.
I’ve interacted with 5 - 7 Chinese users over Lemmy recently ish. Haven’t been, but one of my close friends went to Hong Kong pretty recently and enjoyed their time.
LOL. Worked with Chinese, discussed politics with Chinese (outside of China, for obvious reason to anyone who met any Chinese citizen). Try to get first hand accounts before praising one of the strictest censorship in the world. And learn a bit about the specifics of Hong-Kong, or better, meet activists there if this is your sample of China
I’m Chinese in China and you’re uneducated and lying.
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“We need to bring back the colonial government”
You guys are not beating the psychotically racist allegations. This is like saying we need to restore the British Raj in India
Europe: collaborates in the genocide of Palestinians
Europeans: “China is so evil and militaristic, look at all those hypothetical things they could hypothetically do to Taiwan!”
I want you to google the last time that china and taiwan had a military hostile interaction.
Please do.
Japan hasn’t even given a symbolic apology for their massive list of war crimes against China and all over Asia, Taiwan is part of China under international law, and the nationalist forces you defend were murdering communists while under attack by Japan. You fascist sympathizers…
Try to think why these supposed “threats” are such a big deal for an alliance of countries so far away from the region to be affected, and you might stumble upon the real reason why they hate China so much.
Spoiler alert, it’s because they can no longer take advantage of China like they did when it was under the boot of the British. They hate that it’s a sovereign country that works for its own benefit, and that their footholds in the region are unable to reverse the course of history as they’d like.