Afaik, Proton and Tuta are the only free ones with zero-knowledge encryption
Proton allows only one free email address, which is what taught me to be wary of unexpected restrictions on services. I’ve got to say the only one I trust fully is my own, with complete certainty of security and features are all only limited by the hardware. Whenever someone talks about paying per month to get more addresses, aliases, calendar or storage - nah. Self-host. DuckDuckGo email is a good firewall layer as well - it forwards all mail to your chosen actual address after trying its best to strip the mail of trackers.
Login into Proton-Pass for 10 free aliases… but, it doesn’t require your ID or anything to create an email, you can create how many you want :S
You can create as many free email accounts with ProtonMail as you like.
Proton now is a non-profit but their employees still need salary. Throw them a couple bucks if you like their service.
Do that with anyone whose services you enjoy. That’s how you help them survive.
Find a local mail-hotel, buy your own domain, and set it up…
I’ve been usingPrivate Email for the last few years. Run by NameCheap, I think. Got the account same time as my domain. No complaints so far. Haven’t heard anything troubling about them either.
It has a web ui if that’s your thing, but I’ve never used it.
using disroot for a few years now, they’re very reliable.
I can’t attest to privacy, but I have used Zoho for years with my domains.
Stop posting protonmail you bozos, what kind of person only needs a single email tied to a phone number? Preposterous. I won’t even bother bringing up them putting some idiot climate activists in jail since I know “privacy” to redditors means posting about GDPR and turning your brain off
Tuta is allegedly okay (we’re not international drug traffickers so we can pretend other (European) people’s computers are trustworthy bc we don’t need them to be usually) but it doesn’t have imap, so you just use it as the recovery email and then use some other generic free disposable privacy email w imap
But proton doesn’t need a phone number? You can just do a captcha. I would never use an email that asks for a phone number. Or even a phone.
They want your IP or your phone. Use a VPN IP or TOR and they’ll require a phone number. That’s been my experience at least. I don’t trust them.
Hmm. That’s not been my experience. I’ve been using proton with VPN with no issue. But yes, as you say, if that’s your experience, it’s shady. I would stay away from them were I in your shoes.
They began demanding my phone number after I signed up without it. Not sure why. Was years ago tho
That’s the same trick discord pulls btw it’s shady
I wonder if it’s by region. Are you outside EU?
Stop posting protonmail you bozos, what kind of person only needs a single email tied to a phone number?
And this is before even getting into their recent scandal with their VPN service.
I won’t touch that shit with a 39 1/2ft poleeee~🎵
What scandal?
the French government used interpol to request the swiss government to request proton to hand over the ip address of a French climate activist
is this the 2021 incident? i heard about that, i thought something new was ment
(Rant) But kind telling that everytime i hear about stuff like this it is somehow an activist who fights for climate change or like in italy with the whatsapp spyware, people who save refugees in the open sea.
And not the mass murder terrorists or child rapists they claim the survailance tools will be used on.
I feel like this was more recent, but it could be that I read it recently. Theres an official response from proton regarding this incident if you want to learn more about the situation.
One benefit of using proton is because your emails live in Switzerland and your data is subject to their laws around data privacy. From what I know, that doesn’t protect you from criminal investigation, but it does protect your data from non government agency requests and data brokers.
The climate activist I’m referring to was squatting in high rises as protest, which is against the law in france. France used interpol to communicate with the swiss government in order to get more information about their suspect. The official response from proton covers more about this incident, and I think it’s likely they had no idea what this climate activist was doing.
Privacy unfortunately does not mean youre free to commit crimes, or even that your personal info is safe from police inquiry. That is anonymity, not privacy.
Although I don’t agree with protons decision to remove wording around logging IPs in their terms of service, it’s disingenuous to think that proton is somehow complicit and is “tracking down activists”. From my perspective, they were following the law, as messed up as the law is.
Lol i didnt even hear abt it im running off old animosities 😌
I use Disroot. Idk if sign-ups are always open though.
proton.me is not bad.
Nobody mentioning fastmail…sad times
Proton mail.
Don’t Proton just get caught revealing a French activist’s IP address to authorities? Might stay away from that one for now.
This happened years ago afaik, but lemmy keeps sharing it around for some reason.
For context, proton encrypts the traffic, not the IP Address. While I dont remember how long IP Addresses stay in their logs, you can easily avoid exposing your true IP address by using a VPN, which is clearly not what that acitvist had done.
Proton is still compelled to follow government laws in order to operate, and will hand over what info they have when compelled to. If that info is something their service can encrypt, such as emails, cloud storage, passwords, and so on, then it will look like jumped data when handed over. You IP address can’t reasonably be encrypted, and neither can your primary email that is associated with you proton account. If your primary email has revealing info, then thats on you for not obfuscating it more. If you arent using a VPN to access services, then your IP address will be indicative of where your traffic might be coming from. The end user does need to take extra steps to make sure their traffic is secure, and proton does talk about this in their documentation.
Proton is one of very few companies Ive seen pass third party security audits. They may not be perfect, but they are secure, and I’ve yet to see that truly disproven.
Mullvad processes all its VPN data directly in RAM, so it’s constantly rewritten and no data is saved because there isn’t even a disk for it… I wonder if it would be possible for Proton (or any other privacy-focused service) to do the same with all its services. They already don’t keep logs, but in that case they were ordered to keep them because they had the means to do it. If they weren’t physically capable of doing it, what would happen? I don’t think a court could force them to rework their infrastructure just for that (considering how expensive it would be).
Proton claimed there was no way to appeal, but Swiss law is not bound by Interpol. I think what it really amounts to is they are not going to protect their users. This is why you don’t pay for let alone use a corporation’s services unless you willing to give up your privacy.
Proton is not your friend, they have and will continue to betray their users. Do not trust them or any corporation that is not willing to fight for their users.
Operating in other countries means you do need to follow their laws in order to operate in them. Being a swiss company doesnt make them exempt from the laws of other countries, and not complying risks them losing business in other countries. Their products do work, but the user needs to use them correctly to not put themselves in a position where they can be traced. The activist clearly wasnt using a vpn when accessing their email.
I do agree, dont trust proton, never trust any corporation, but i also know enough about how their tech works and how to manage my own online privacy that I know they arent just blowing smoke. I would much rather have proton comply with the law and continue to be accessible for most of the world, than have them fight for a single user who could have done more to protect themselves and potentially lose the ability to run their services for other countries. Most people arent self hosting, so they cant run their own secure services. Proton is a much better option than the fascist bowing corpos who run most of the tech world. Until self hosting becomes accessible for regular people, I will continue to recommend proton as the easiest option to have secure services with.
Corporations can and do fight for their users. Proton is not one of these companies. I think that says all we need to know about their commitments to their users. You are welcome to continue leading people to a business that have shown that they are not willing to do what is right because profit is their primary motivation.
Proton is not what you want to use if you are trying to hide from the government but if you are trying to starve google of your data its a solid option.
Any webservice, like mail, cloud services and social platform, as even eg, Lemmy and other online platform, is forced to reveal the user data they have, if there is an court order a cause of an criminal investigation. Proton can’t in this case evade the info they have, it is the IP and the account data, content of the mail is encrypted, so they can give only encrypted data in this case.
This has nothing to do with privacy rights, this protect the privacy only from access of private data without an court order in the EU. In the same case as with this activist, also Tuta, Murena and any other private mail service would have done exactly the same thing as Proton.
If you are searched by law, never is a good idea to create an account anywhere. Drug barons use pen and paper for communication because of this.
Mind you that Switzerland is not in the EU.
Well, it’s not in the Eurozone, but it’s strict with the EU Privacy laws, in Europe it’s only the Vatican out of the EU, only in the Eurozone for practical reasons.
I know that they’re in the EEA though.
The Vaticane don’t fullfit the conditions to be an EU member, they have not signed the Declaration of Human Rights, nor have they officially condemned torture and the death penalty.
Purelymail. Really good and cheap it all you need is email. No extra cost to bring your own domain.
Proton Mail is good, just don’t use the paid version of any Proton service. The paid version will delete your email address if you don’t keep up with payments.
You can get a lifetime subscription to Proton Pass sometimes, and that’s what I did. I suspect that may protect my account from deletion due to inactivity if I’m picked up by ICE or hit by a car and put in a coma (just examples, I’m not American). I’m not sure if it has that effect though.
The paid version will delete your email address if you don’t keep up with payments.
I emailed them a little over a year ago about this because the terms of service were unclear. I was told by support that my main address wouldn’t be deleted, but I would be moved down to the free tier in every way – so I would lose my extra addresses and aliases, as well as extra storage space. I was also told that there was a 30-day grace period in case my renewal payment didn’t go through for some reason.
I’ve looked up so many email providers that I may have got the terms of services mixed up.
Proton Mail, Tuta mail, runbox.com, to name three.
