Enterprise was ridiculously “Tits out for the boys” and it was a really weird direction to go after Voyager. Like Enterprise had some dumb dumb shit, frat boy type stuff.
Characters in their underwear for quarantine, women’s shirts slipping off because they were crawling around in the vent system. Stuff that didn’t make sense and was played for Scooby Doo style laughs.
It’s all part of why it’s bad.
I feel it necessary to mention that gem of storytelling called “Huh huh huh ur a dude and ur preggers huh huh huh”.
I read their responses. I don’t understand how Star Trek Enterprise relates to Me Too and being a “Man’s Man” Star Trek. What are they trying to say?
Vulcan in booty shorts.
As much as “Me Too” was supposed to be about ridding the industry of sexual harassment (and worse), it also had knock-on effects in terms of storytelling, cast composition, etc.
I don’t think it’s controversial to say that “Enterprise” was not terribly progressive by modern standards (or, in my opinion, the standards of the time) when it came to female representation in particular.
By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don’t mean to defend this, but I’m guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression.
Hmm, I don’t know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to “match” TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period “Voyager”…
I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’
The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage.
@ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don’t recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I’m an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era–I might not notice.
Seven of Nine’s suit was painted on
Yeah if they hadn’t struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter.
I definitely noticed that.
I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B’elana was mostly just angry.
B’elana was mostly just angry.
I don’t remember shit about B’elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except :
- Janeway : Hardass
- Doctor : fun guy
- Tuvok : generic serious vulcan
- Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly
- Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat
B’elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn’t known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight.
I read B’elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn’t always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg.
Plus ofc Janeway + B’elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women.
But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶
Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p
Enterprise is the only one that gets skipped every rewatch time. I’ll just play the theme song once and move on.
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You mean the season with no cohesive arc and relies on recycling plots from other shows (mirror universe, aliens taking over bodies to observe reaction to disease, men falling for Orion woman, “Section 31”, etc, etc). This season was so desperate to show “we do that too” it was embarrassing. Even the way they ended the show was worse than just killing it.
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it’s been a long road…
maybe its due to kurtzman nutrek, he went full force with the metoomovement.
