You’re describing the early days, though. That’s what most people see remarked on. The point is about what this all turned into. He can quite specifically be quoted as referring to how toxic things seem to have become.
This piece criticizes people who vote for Trump and Boris Johnson because they identify as “fans” of these politicians vs being aware of policy and voting based on that policy. It says that fans who come together to celebrate are fine. It is the fandom of Trump that disrupts peoples lives, and he does not like how “fandom” is used in politics that impact millions of peoples lives.
It came off as a kind of blanket piece the way I absorbed it, like it could apply to Trump and Johnson but it could also apply to political movements in general as well as his fictional genres, hence the first part where he mentions his first experiences with comic book clubs.
He summarises his position in literally the second paragraph
“Ten years on, let me make my position clear: I believe that fandom is a wonderful and vital organ of contemporary culture, without which that culture ultimately stagnates, atrophies and dies. At the same time, I’m sure that fandom is sometimes a grotesque blight that poisons the society surrounding it with its mean-spirited obsessions and ridiculous, unearned sense of entitlement. Perhaps this statement still requires some breaking down.”
This is very clearly an article specific to fandom and largely has little to do with his thoughts on political movements. Additionally, when he does make political statements he does with negative attitudes towards conservative leaders and voters. See my other comment for quotes
In the world of Alan Moore, fandom intertwines with political movements. Anonymous literally uses his Guy Fawkes Mask as its sole symbol. Have you never watched V for Vendetta or read up on Anonymous?
I was saying that to demonstrate it’s not just “some fandom” or “some movement”, as opposed to something that challenges they can mix. The point being he denounces a large swath of the things done by those who cite him as inspiration, whether by name or not depending on the exact movement or act. And the book was where the symbol originated, not the movie. He didn’t make the movie.
It’s like you haven’t even read the article. What you cited is a piece on the state of fandom. Here are the only somewhat relevant quotes from it. Notably they are consistent with everything I quoted in my previous comment
"I speak only of comics fandom here, but have gained the impression that this reflexive belligerence – most usually from middle-aged white male conservatives – is now a part of many fan communities. "
“Those who vote for Donald Trump or Boris Johnson seem less moved by policy or prior accomplishment than by how much they’ve enjoyed the performances on The Apprentice or Have I Got News for You.”
You are being deliberately disingenuous which I can only assume is to either push an agenda or to desperately hold on to the idea that you are ‘right.’
By not doing due diligence you have undoubtedly contributed to spreading misinformation. Please consider reading your sources and if you did actually read this article, I would strongly recommend undertaking a media literacy course or perhaps an english language course.
You say that like that invalidates my takeaway from it. In the world of Alan Moore, the two topics are mixed by default, with one often used as a proxy discussion for the other. Given this context, you could easily go to those who are acting on behalf of either a fandom or a movement and say “heed this person’s caution” and it wouldn’t be out of place.
Your title claimed Alan moore has denounced revolutionary movements that draw symbolism from his works. You failed to elaborate on what movements and how he has denounced them. I followed sources you provided and took extracts from those sources showing what movements he has expressed support for and what movements he has denounced. You have no takeaway, you haven’t tried to say anything or provided any context for anything. You’re just pushing clickbait for votes. You don’t even seem familiar with the fact that v for vendetta isn’t just a movie.
You say that like anyone has to be specific about it, and even then it ignores Anonymous (which is a movement) takes the spotlight here. You can infer a few things if you take his words and apply them to different movements. In fact, it can be applied to your approach to his criticism here. Unless, of course, Alan Moore is inconsistent as a political thinker in the first place.
You’re describing the early days, though. That’s what most people see remarked on. The point is about what this all turned into. He can quite specifically be quoted as referring to how toxic things seem to have become.
Then quote it
He wrote a whole piece, though I’m not sure how to quote it considering his verbal vibes.
This piece criticizes people who vote for Trump and Boris Johnson because they identify as “fans” of these politicians vs being aware of policy and voting based on that policy. It says that fans who come together to celebrate are fine. It is the fandom of Trump that disrupts peoples lives, and he does not like how “fandom” is used in politics that impact millions of peoples lives.
It came off as a kind of blanket piece the way I absorbed it, like it could apply to Trump and Johnson but it could also apply to political movements in general as well as his fictional genres, hence the first part where he mentions his first experiences with comic book clubs.
He summarises his position in literally the second paragraph
“Ten years on, let me make my position clear: I believe that fandom is a wonderful and vital organ of contemporary culture, without which that culture ultimately stagnates, atrophies and dies. At the same time, I’m sure that fandom is sometimes a grotesque blight that poisons the society surrounding it with its mean-spirited obsessions and ridiculous, unearned sense of entitlement. Perhaps this statement still requires some breaking down.”
This is very clearly an article specific to fandom and largely has little to do with his thoughts on political movements. Additionally, when he does make political statements he does with negative attitudes towards conservative leaders and voters. See my other comment for quotes
In the world of Alan Moore, fandom intertwines with political movements. Anonymous literally uses his Guy Fawkes Mask as its sole symbol. Have you never watched V for Vendetta or read up on Anonymous?
Okay? People used a symbol he made. What’s your point. The irony of talking about the movie adaptation lmao
I was saying that to demonstrate it’s not just “some fandom” or “some movement”, as opposed to something that challenges they can mix. The point being he denounces a large swath of the things done by those who cite him as inspiration, whether by name or not depending on the exact movement or act. And the book was where the symbol originated, not the movie. He didn’t make the movie.
It’s like you haven’t even read the article. What you cited is a piece on the state of fandom. Here are the only somewhat relevant quotes from it. Notably they are consistent with everything I quoted in my previous comment
"I speak only of comics fandom here, but have gained the impression that this reflexive belligerence – most usually from middle-aged white male conservatives – is now a part of many fan communities. "
“Those who vote for Donald Trump or Boris Johnson seem less moved by policy or prior accomplishment than by how much they’ve enjoyed the performances on The Apprentice or Have I Got News for You.”
You are being deliberately disingenuous which I can only assume is to either push an agenda or to desperately hold on to the idea that you are ‘right.’
By not doing due diligence you have undoubtedly contributed to spreading misinformation. Please consider reading your sources and if you did actually read this article, I would strongly recommend undertaking a media literacy course or perhaps an english language course.
You say that like that invalidates my takeaway from it. In the world of Alan Moore, the two topics are mixed by default, with one often used as a proxy discussion for the other. Given this context, you could easily go to those who are acting on behalf of either a fandom or a movement and say “heed this person’s caution” and it wouldn’t be out of place.
Your title claimed Alan moore has denounced revolutionary movements that draw symbolism from his works. You failed to elaborate on what movements and how he has denounced them. I followed sources you provided and took extracts from those sources showing what movements he has expressed support for and what movements he has denounced. You have no takeaway, you haven’t tried to say anything or provided any context for anything. You’re just pushing clickbait for votes. You don’t even seem familiar with the fact that v for vendetta isn’t just a movie.
You say that like anyone has to be specific about it, and even then it ignores Anonymous (which is a movement) takes the spotlight here. You can infer a few things if you take his words and apply them to different movements. In fact, it can be applied to your approach to his criticism here. Unless, of course, Alan Moore is inconsistent as a political thinker in the first place.
Your entire point is ‘vibes’ based? Fr?
Says who?