• felixwhynot@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Eh… I’m not sold by this. For me the “punk” aspect is about people taking hopeful actions that go against the grain. Focusing on the authority of any government is a pretty weak sell. Let’s cultivate hope in people!

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      21 hours ago

      Classic western resistance: “people taking hopeful actions that go against the grain.”

      Who needs actually achieving environmental goals, it’s the purity that matters.

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        The purity part is part and parcel of the ruling class keeping people from uniting against them. Look at Marjorie Taylor Green, as soon as the president disowned her legions of mechanized trolls/influence agents and bots and chatbots, flooded social media, and left groups, viciously rejected everything she endorsed because of prior transgressions.

        By that logic, you could discount any person, especially with fucking Israel doing the accounting which is what this mostly was. And it was transparent, not the least as it wasn’t there, the president disowned her publicly, and social media was flooded by vicious cunts arguing with anyone saying we should cooperate on what we agree on and not discount groups on purity grounds.

        There aren’t enough good people that know what is going on enough to discount people on purity like that, even if we could trust these dumb shits to discount the right people and not listen to the worst people to tell them whom to discount.

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      People don’t just need hope, they need education, safety nets, access to healthcare, job security. Going against the grain won’t magically change any of these things.

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      In China, the government is run by the people. The people of China collaboratively chart a course for the future, towards a hopeful course of development, based on scientific socialism. In being a socialist country, China is taking actions that go against the grain, focusing on mutual development, industrialization, and prosperity.

      In China, they have direct elections for local representatives, which elect further “rungs,” laddering to the top. The top then has mass polling and opinion gathering. This combination of top-down and bottom-up democracy ensures effective results. For more on this, see Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. This system is remarkably effective, resulting in over 90% approval rates.

      Is it not punk to radically “abolish the present state of things,” as Marx says, and which the PRC is steadfastly working towards? Hell, Rage Against the Machine has even quoted Mao.

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        Its insane how Liberals will see a well functioning society and decide they would rather live under the dictatorship of capital

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          Largely stems from chauvanism that hasn’t been confronted yet. They realize that capitalism is bad, but they still believe that it’s impossible for anyone to be doing better than the west.

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          That’s pretty common, actually. People would rather silently downvote than try to actually engage with academic literature regarding the PRC’s democratic process.

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          I just banned like 6 of them, dead or no-content accounts.

          Liberals using bot accounts to try to manipulate public opinion (as they do on reddit and the rest of the western internet), is gonna be one of the bigger problems in the fediverse for the foreseeable future, so we have to stay ahead of it.

          At this point they’re just targeting specific ppl like @Cowbee@lemmy.ml, but they’ll eventually start doing it en masse.

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            Figured that may have been the case, considering it was a reasonable comment getting heavily downvoted in a thread where other pro-PRC comments weren’t as inorganically downvoted.

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          Hexbear stays winning with the removed downvote, which forces you to reply if you disagree with the content